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    Updated list with all changes

    Here is the way the current 18 ND verbal commits look on each board as of today:

    Rivals/R250Rank/Star Rating
    Louis Nix 93 Mid 4*
    Tai-ler Jones 126 Low 4*
    Gio Bernard 166 Low 4*
    Blake Lueders 215 Low 4*
    Cameron Roberson 220 Low 4*
    Prince Shembo 224 Low 4*
    Andrew Hendrix 227 Low 4*
    Kendall Moore NR Low 4*
    Alex Welch NR Low 4*
    Chris Badger NR High 3*
    Spencer Boyd NR High 3*
    Lo Wood NR High 3*
    Bennett Jackson NR High 3*
    Tommy Rees NR High 3*
    Justin Utupo NR High 3*
    Daniel Smith NR Mid 3*
    Christian Lombard NR Mid 3*
    Austin Collinsworth NR Low 3*

    Scout/S300Rank/Star Rating
    Christian Lombard 59 4*
    Gio Bernard 87 4*
    Alex Welch 101 4*
    Tai-ler Jones 109 4*
    Andrew Hendrix 142 4*
    Blake Lueders 163 4*
    Louis Nix 180 4*
    Daniel Smith 298 4*
    Chris Badger NR 3*
    Cameron Roberson NR 3*
    Bennett Jackson NR 3*
    Kendall Moore NR 3*
    Prince Shembo NR 3*
    Spencer Boyd NR 3*
    Lo Wood NR 3*
    Tommy Rees NR 3*
    Justin Utupo NR 3*
    Austin Collinsworth NR 3*

    ESPN/E150Rank/Star Rating
    Tai-ler Jones 74 4*
    Louis Nix 99 4*
    Blake Lueders 150 4*
    Andrew Hendrix NR 4*
    Gio Bernard NR 4*
    Chris Badger NR High 3*
    Spencer Boyd NR High 3*
    Christian Lombard NR High 3*
    Alex Welch NR High 3*
    Tommy Rees NR High 3*
    Prince Shembo NR High 3*
    Daniel Smith NR High 3*
    Lo Wood NR High 3*
    Cameron Roberson NR Mid 3*
    Bennett Jackson NR Mid 3*
    Kendall Moore NR Mid 3*
    Justin Utupo NR Mid 3*
    Austin Collinsworth NR High 2*

    Star Ratings Summary.

    Rivals- Nine 4 stars, Nine 3 stars = Avg. Star Ranking of 3.50

    Scout- Eight 4 stars, Ten 3 stars = Avg. Star Ranking of 3.44

    ESPN- Five 4 stars, Twelve 3 stars, One 2 star = Avg. Star Ranking of 3.22



    Notes:

    ESPN now has a total of 3 Irish commits on the ESPN 150. Rivals has 7 ND commits in their R250, but only 1 Top 100. Scout has 8 ND commits in their S300, with 2 of those in their Top 100

    Notre Dame's current recruiting class is ranked #15 on Scout, #14 on Rivals, and #18 on ESPN.

    Note however that Scout still has Hurd listed as an ND commit. When they finally realize he has de-committed ND will probably drop to #18 on the Scout board.

    Also, ESPN does not do real time rankings so their ranking is as of 12/10, before the Hurd de-commit and the Collinsworth commit. However, Hurd was highly ranked by ESPN and Collinsworth is the lowest ranked ND commit on their board, so if ESPN were to do the ranking as of today the Irish class would most likely drop into the 20's on their board.

  2. #12
    Updated list with all changes

    Here is the way the current 19 ND verbal commits look on each board as of today:

    Rivals/R250Rank/Star Rating
    Louis Nix 85 Mid 4*
    Tai-ler Jones 141 Low 4*
    Gio Bernard 186 Low 4*
    Christian Lombard 221 Low 4*
    Blake Lueders 226 Low 4*
    Cameron Roberson 231 Low 4*
    Andrew Hendrix 235 Low 4*
    Prince Shembo 238 Low 4*
    Kendall Moore NR Low 4*
    Alex Welch NR Low 4*
    Chris Badger NR High 3*
    Spencer Boyd NR High 3*
    Lo Wood NR High 3*
    Bennett Jackson NR High 3*
    Tommy Rees NR High 3*
    Justin Utupo NR High 3*
    Daniel Smith NR Mid 3*
    Tate Nichols NR Mid 3*
    Austin Collinsworth NR Low 3*


    Scout/S300Rank/Star Rating
    Christian Lombard 62 4*
    Blake Lueders 79 4*
    Gio Bernard 94 4*
    Louis Nix 102 4*
    Alex Welch 111 4*
    Tai-ler Jones 138 4*
    Andrew Hendrix NR 3*
    Daniel Smith NR 3*
    Chris Badger NR 3*
    Cameron Roberson NR 3*
    Bennett Jackson NR 3*
    Kendall Moore NR 3*
    Prince Shembo NR 3*
    Spencer Boyd NR 3*
    Lo Wood NR 3*
    Tommy Rees NR 3*
    Justin Utupo NR 3*
    Austin Collinsworth NR 3*
    Tate Nichols NR 3*

    ESPN/E150Rank/Star Rating
    Louis Nix 64 4*
    Tai-ler Jones 68 4*
    Blake Lueders 113 4*
    Andrew Hendrix NR 4*
    Gio Bernard NR 4*
    Chris Badger NR High 3*
    Spencer Boyd NR High 3*
    Christian Lombard NR High 3*
    Alex Welch NR High 3*
    Tommy Rees NR High 3*
    Prince Shembo NR High 3*
    Daniel Smith NR High 3*
    Lo Wood NR High 3*
    Cameron Roberson NR Mid 3*
    Bennett Jackson NR Mid 3*
    Kendall Moore NR Mid 3*
    Justin Utupo NR Mid 3*
    Tate Nichols NR Low 3*
    Austin Collinsworth NR High 2*

    Star Ratings Summary.

    Rivals- Ten 4 stars, Nine 3 stars = Avg. Star Ranking of 3.53

    Scout- Six 4 stars, Thirteen 3 stars = Avg. Star Ranking of 3.32

    ESPN- Five 4 stars, Thirteen 3 stars, One 2 star = Avg. Star Ranking of 3.21



    Notes:

    ESPN still has a total of 3 Irish commits on the ESPN 150 although all 3 moved up in the latest rendition. Rivals now has 8 ND commits in their R250 as Christian Lombard finally received some recognition from the Rivals boys, however ND still has only 1 Rival 100 recruit. Scout now has only 6 ND commits in their S300 as Hendrix and Daniel Smith were dropped out. 3 of those 6 are also in the 100.

    Notre Dame's current recruiting class is ranked #20 on Scout down from #15 the last time I looked at this. Primarily because of the change in the Lombard ranking, ND moved up from #14 to #12 on Rivals. They remained #18 on ESPN, but that was as of their last team ranking update which was on 12/22.

    Individually, Nix, Lueders, and Lombard all improved quite a bit over the last rankings, while Hendrix and Smith took the biggest hits. Everyone else was pretty much static.
    Last edited by irishunclebill; 01-20-2010 at 03:19 PM.

  3. #13
    Updated the post above to reflect Tate Nichols change from a Rivals High 2* to a Mid 3*.

    ND is #12 on Rivals, #20 on Scout, and #18 on ESPN.

    Throw all those numbers out though because MaxPreps has the ND class at #6.

    http://www.maxpreps.com/news/zJglEQS...ng-classes.htm

    I'm pretty sure though that is based on the purely subjective opinion of the writer. It almost has to be because the quantitative part of MaxPreps is based on Lemming's Top 100 and even Lemming only has 2 ND commits in his Top 100. Contrast that with Scout who has 3 ND commits in their Top 100 yet has ND's Team Ranking at #20.

    Both Rivals and Scout base their rankings on purely quantitative analysis. Their analysis is subjective but their team rankings are mathematically constructed. ESPN is a mixture of quantitative and subjective which makes their team rankings largely illogical. However they can't beat the MaxPreps guy in that regard. Even with an overwhelmingly favorable ND bias I would have a hard time subjectively or objectively placing the ND class as currently constructed as a Top 10 class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by irishunclebill View Post
    Updated list with all changes

    Here is the way the current 18 ND verbal commits look on each board as of today:

    Rivals/R250Rank/Star Rating
    Louis Nix 93 Mid 4*
    Tai-ler Jones 126 Low 4*
    Gio Bernard 166 Low 4*
    Blake Lueders 215 Low 4*
    Cameron Roberson 220 Low 4*
    Prince Shembo 224 Low 4*
    Andrew Hendrix 227 Low 4*
    Kendall Moore NR Low 4*
    Alex Welch NR Low 4*
    Chris Badger NR High 3*
    Spencer Boyd NR High 3*
    Lo Wood NR High 3*
    Bennett Jackson NR High 3*
    Tommy Rees NR High 3*
    Justin Utupo NR High 3*
    Daniel Smith NR Mid 3*
    Christian Lombard NR Mid 3*
    Austin Collinsworth NR Low 3*

    Scout/S300Rank/Star Rating
    Christian Lombard 59 4*
    Gio Bernard 87 4*
    Alex Welch 101 4*
    Tai-ler Jones 109 4*
    Andrew Hendrix 142 4*
    Blake Lueders 163 4*
    Louis Nix 180 4*
    Daniel Smith 298 4*
    Chris Badger NR 3*
    Cameron Roberson NR 3*
    Bennett Jackson NR 3*
    Kendall Moore NR 3*
    Prince Shembo NR 3*
    Spencer Boyd NR 3*
    Lo Wood NR 3*
    Tommy Rees NR 3*
    Justin Utupo NR 3*
    Austin Collinsworth NR 3*

    ESPN/E150Rank/Star Rating
    Tai-ler Jones 74 4*
    Louis Nix 99 4*
    Blake Lueders 150 4*
    Andrew Hendrix NR 4*
    Gio Bernard NR 4*
    Chris Badger NR High 3*
    Spencer Boyd NR High 3*
    Christian Lombard NR High 3*
    Alex Welch NR High 3*
    Tommy Rees NR High 3*
    Prince Shembo NR High 3*
    Daniel Smith NR High 3*
    Lo Wood NR High 3*
    Cameron Roberson NR Mid 3*
    Bennett Jackson NR Mid 3*
    Kendall Moore NR Mid 3*
    Justin Utupo NR Mid 3*
    Austin Collinsworth NR High 2*

    Star Ratings Summary.

    Rivals- Nine 4 stars, Nine 3 stars = Avg. Star Ranking of 3.50

    Scout- Eight 4 stars, Ten 3 stars = Avg. Star Ranking of 3.44

    ESPN- Five 4 stars, Twelve 3 stars, One 2 star = Avg. Star Ranking of 3.22



    Notes:

    ESPN now has a total of 3 Irish commits on the ESPN 150. Rivals has 7 ND commits in their R250, but only 1 Top 100. Scout has 8 ND commits in their S300, with 2 of those in their Top 100

    Notre Dame's current recruiting class is ranked #15 on Scout, #14 on Rivals, and #18 on ESPN.

    Note however that Scout still has Hurd listed as an ND commit. When they finally realize he has de-committed ND will probably drop to #18 on the Scout board.

    Also, ESPN does not do real time rankings so their ranking is as of 12/10, before the Hurd de-commit and the Collinsworth commit. However, Hurd was highly ranked by ESPN and Collinsworth is the lowest ranked ND commit on their board, so if ESPN were to do the ranking as of today the Irish class would most likely drop into the 20's on their board.
    What have we learned from this kids? ... Fuc ESPN

  5. #15
    Final List

    Here is the way the 23 ND commits ended up on each board:

    Rivals/R250Rank/Star Rating
    Louis Nix 85 Mid 4*
    Matt James 86 Mid 4*
    Tai-ler Jones 141 Low 4*
    Christian Lombard 221 Low 4*
    Cameron Roberson 231 Low 4*
    Andrew Hendrix 235 Low 4*
    Prince Shembo 238 Low 4*
    Kendall Moore NR Low 4*
    Danny Spond NR Low 4*
    Alex Welch NR Low 4*
    Kona Schwenke NR High 3*
    Chris Badger NR High 3*
    Spencer Boyd NR High 3*
    Lo Wood NR High 3*
    Bennett Jackson NR High 3*
    Tommy Rees NR High 3*
    Justin Utupo NR High 3*
    Luke Massa NR High 3*
    Daniel Smith NR Mid 3*
    Tate Nichols NR Mid 3*
    Austin Collinsworth NR Low 3*
    Derek Roback NR Low 3*
    Bruce Heggie NR Mid 2*


    Scout/S300Rank/Star Rating
    Christian Lombard 62 4*
    Matt James 91 4*
    Louis Nix 102 4*
    Alex Welch 111 4*
    Tai-ler Jones 138 4*
    Kona Schwenke 267 4*
    Andrew Hendrix NR 3*
    Danny Spond NR 3*
    Daniel Smith NR 3*
    Chris Badger NR 3*
    Cameron Roberson NR 3*
    Bennett Jackson NR 3*
    Kendall Moore NR 3*
    Prince Shembo NR 3*
    Spencer Boyd NR 3*
    Lo Wood NR 3*
    Tommy Rees NR 3*
    Justin Utupo NR 3*
    Luke Massa NR 3*
    Austin Collinsworth NR 3*
    Tate Nichols NR 3*
    Derek Roback NR 2*
    Bruce Heggie NR 2*


    ESPN/E150Rank/Star Rating
    Louis Nix 64 4*
    Tai-ler Jones 68 4*
    Matt James NR 4*
    Andrew Hendrix NR 4*
    Chris Badger NR High 3*
    Spencer Boyd NR High 3*
    Christian Lombard NR High 3*
    Alex Welch NR High 3*
    Tommy Rees NR High 3*
    Prince Shembo NR High 3*
    Daniel Smith NR High 3*
    Lo Wood NR High 3*
    Kona Schwenke NR High 3*
    Danny Spond NR High 3*
    Cameron Roberson NR Mid 3*
    Bennett Jackson NR Mid 3*
    Kendall Moore NR Mid 3*
    Justin Utupo NR Mid 3*
    Tate Nichols NR Low 3*
    Austin Collinsworth NR High 2*
    Derek Roback NR High 2*
    Luke Massa NR Mid 2*
    Bruce Heggie NR NR

    Star Ratings Summary.

    Rivals- Ten 4 stars, Twelve 3 stars, One 2 Star = Avg. Star Ranking of 3.39

    Scout- Six 4 stars, Fifteen 3 stars, Two 2 Stars = Avg. Star Ranking of 3.17

    ESPN- Four 4 stars, Fifteen 3 stars, Three 2 stars, One NR = Avg. Star Ranking of 3.00


    Final Team Rankings:

    Rivals #14 with 7 players ranked in the Rivals 250, and 2 in the Rivals 100.

    Scout #19 with 6 players ranked in the Scout 300, and 2 in the Scout 100.

    ESPN #21 with 2 players in the ESPN 150.

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