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    11/30/17 #5 Notre Dame @ #3 Michigan State 7PM ET on ESPN

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    Notre Dame at Michigan State - 10 Things To Know
    Irish and Spartans primed to cap ACC/Big Ten Challenge with a top-five match up on ESPN.

    Nov. 28, 2017
    NDMBB at MSU Notes
    WHO: No. 5/5 Notre Dame (6-0) vs. No. 3/3 Michigan State (5-1)

    WHAT: The final game of the 2017 ACC/Big Ten Challenge

    WHERE: Breslin Center, East Lansing, Michigan

    WHEN: Thursday, Nov. 30, 7:00 p.m. ET


    ESPN national broadcast with Karl Ravech (play-by-play), Jay Bilas (analyst) and Seth Greenburg (sideline).

    Notre Dame Basketball Radio Network with Jack Nolan (play-by-play) and Zach Hillesland (analyst).

    Here are 10 Things To Know about the Notre Dame - Michigan State game...

    The Last Meeting
    Michigan State 78
    Notre Dame 79
    December 3, 2014
    Notre Dame, Ind. (Purcell Pavilion)
    Irish Edge Michigan State in OT, 79-78
    Jerian Grant scored a career-high 27 points and Demetrius Jackson added a career-best 22 to help Notre Dame beat No. 19 Michigan State 79-78 in overtime Wednesday night in the ACC/Big Ten Challenge.

    Notre Dame and Michigan State will be meeting for the 97th time on Thursday evening, but just the second time since the 1979 season. The Irish and Spartans series dates back to 1908 and remained a fixture on both teamsí yearly schedules through the mid-1970s.
    Notre Dame leads the all-time series 60-36 and 25-22 on the road at Michigan State - but Thursday will mark Notre Dameís first game at the Breslin Center.
    A quick review of the Notre Dame - Michigan State series (full history available on page 9 of the notes package):
    Last meeting: Notre Dame 79, No. 19/18 Michigan State 78 (OT), Dec. 3, 2014
    Last top-five ranked meeting: No. 4/5 Notre Dame 68, No. 3/4 Michigan State 80, March 18, 1979, NCAA Tournament Regional Final, Market Square Arena, Indianapolis, Indiana
    Last meeting in East Lansing: Nov. 3/3 Notre Dame 91, Michigan State 89, Feb. 7, 1974, Jenison Fieldhouse
    Notre Dame is in its fifth season as a member of the Atlantic Coast Conference and will be taking part in its fifth ACC/Big Ten Challenge game at Michigan State. The Irish are 3-1 all-time in the event and have won their last three games - including a 79-78 overtime victory over Michigan State in 2014.
    12/3/2013 vs. Iowa Iowa City, IA Carver-Hawkeye Arena 23 / 24 L 93 98
    12/3/2014 vs. Michigan State Notre Dame, IN Purcell Pavilion 19/ 18 W (OT) 79 78
    12/2/2015 vs. Illinois Champaign, IL State Farm Center W 84 79
    11/29/2016 vs. Iowa Notre Dame, IN Purcell Pavilion W 92 78

    A 6-0 start to the season and the 2017 Maui Jim Maui Invitational Championship, including a 67-66 victory over No. 6/6 Wichita State, has propelled Notre Dame to the fifth spot in both the Associated Press and USA Today/Coaches polls this week.
    The No. 5 spot marks the highest the Irish have been in the AP poll since the final release during the 2014-15 sesason when they entered the 2015 NCAA tournament eighth. In the final USA Today/Coaches poll, released after the 2015 NCAA tournament, the Irish finished fifth.
    The last time the Irish were No. 5 in the AP before this week was the end of the 2010-11 season, when the team entered the NCAA tournament No. 5/4.
    The last time the Irish were ranked higher than No. 5 was the week prior, when Notre Dame entered the 2011 BIG EAST Championship ranked No. 4/4.
    Safe to say that senior guard Matt Farrell embraces the competition of in-season tournaments. The Bridgewater, N.J., native enjoyed his break out performances at the 2016 Legends Classic in the Barclays Center, earning tournament MVP honors.
    He stepped up another level at the 2017 Maui Jim Maui Invitational, leading the Irish through three victories - including a career-high 27 points against Chaminade and the play of the game in the rally over No. 6/6 Wichita State, stealing an in-bounds pass with less than a minute remaining and finding Bonzie Colson to cut the Shocker lead to one point.
    In the past two in-season tournaments, Farrell is averaging 19.4 ppg, shooting .482 from 3FG and averaging 5.4 apg.
    Tournament Opponent FG 3FG FT REB F PTS A TO BLK STL MIN
    2016 Legends Classic Colorado 7-13 2-4 4-4 0-1-1 3 20 6 3 32
    2016 Legends Classic Northwestern 5-11 2-4 6-6 1-2-3 2 18 6 1 1 34
    Tournament Totals 12-25 4-8 10-10 1-3-4 5 38 12 2 4 66
    Tournament Average .480 .500 1.000 2.0 19.0 6.0 1.5 2.0 33
    2017 Maui Invitational Chaminade 9-12 4-7 5-7 0-0-0 2 27 4 4 1 30
    2017 Maui Invitational LSU 5-14 4-10 3-3 0-1-1 17 7 1 1 31
    2017 Maui Invitational Wichita State 6-14 2-4 1-1 0-4-4 1 15 4 5 3 39
    Tournament Totals 20-40 10-21 9-11 0-5-5 3 59 15 10 5 100
    Tournament Average .500 .476 .818 1.6 19.6 5.0 3.3 1.6 33.3
    All Tourney Totals 32-65 14-29 19-21 1-8-9 8 97 27 12 9 166
    All Tourney Average .492 .482 .904 1.8 19.4 5.4 2.4 1.8 33.2

    Senior forward Martinas Geben has been playing his best basketball at Notre Dame early this season and stepped up in a clutch situation at the 2017 Maui Jim Maui Invitational.
    With the Irish trailing by a point and three seconds remaning, Geben was fouled on an in-bounds play and sent to the foul line. A consistent free throw shooter in practice, Geben has not seen many opportunities in his career (he was 53-70, .750 percentage, before the two attempts against Wichita State) but stepped up to convert both free throw attempts and provide the game-winning points.
    Gebenís final two games in Maui, 10 pts vs. LSU and a career-high matching 12 against Wichita State, mark the first time in his career he has posted back-to-back double-digit scoring games. He also is shooting .800 from the floor this year (20-25).
    The single-season record for field goal percentage (minimum of 150 attempts) is .656 by Bruce Flowers in 1978-79.
    Notre Dame has begun the season 6-0 for the second consecutive year in 2017-18, following up on the 6-0 start from the 2016-17 campaign. The Irish eventually set a new standard for Mike Brey-era starts last year with nine consecutive wins to begin the year.
    Here are the best starts of the Mike Brey era (2000-01):
    Year Season Start Final Record
    2016-17 9-0 26-10
    2010-11 8-0 27-7
    2001-02 7-0 22-11
    2017-18 6-0 TBD

    The 39-point victory over LSU in the semifinals of the 2017 Maui Jim Maui Invitational was the largest margin of victory away from home for Notre Dame against a Division I team since the 126-73 win over Miami (FL) in Miami on Feb. 22, 1986.
    The last time Notre Dame defeated an opponent away from home by 39 points also occurred in Hawaii, a 98-58 win vs. Division II Hawaii Pacific on Nov. 23, 2001.
    Finally, the 39-point win over a Southeastern Conference school is the most since a 111-62 season-opening win over Mississippi on Nov. 26, 1977 - the same season the Irish advanced to the NCAA Final Four.
    Notre Dame head coach Mike Brey is poised to reach three key milestones in his coaching career this season.

    • Brey is six wins away from becoming the all-time wins leader at Notre Dame (388 current, 393 is the record).
    • Brey is 12 wins away from 400 at Notre Dame, which would make him the 13th active coach to have 400 wins at his current school.
    • Brey is 13 wins away from 500 in his coaching career, on pace to become the 31st active coach to reach 500 career wins.

    Should Brey reach the 500-win barrier, he will join Mike Krzyzewski, Jim Boeheim, Roy Williams, Greg Kampe, Tony Shaver, Tom Izzo, Fran Dunphy, Bob McKillop, Jay Wright and Mark Few as the only current coaches to win 500 or more games while coaching at just one or two schools.
    See pages 10 and 11 of this notes package for more historical and background information on Mike Brey.
    Counting up to the record-breaking 394th win, Purcell Pavilion has unveiled a banner hanging from the arena catwalk. It will be updated with Coach Breyís win total throughout #BreysChase.
    The 2016-17 senior class of Steve Vasturia, V.J. Beachem and graduate student Patrick Mazza matched the school record for wins over a four-year stretch last season, joining the 2012-13 group of Joey Brooks, Mike Broghammer, Jack Cooley and Scott Martin with 97 wins.
    The 2017-18 senior class of Bonzie Colson, Matt Farrell, Martinas Geben, Matt Gregory and graduate student Austin Torres are already on pace to surpass that school record this season.
    Year 1 Wins Year 2 Wins Year 3 Wins Year 4 Wins Total
    2014-15 32 2015-16 24 2016-17 26 2017-18 6 88
    2013-14 15 2014-15 32 2015-16 24 2016-17 26 97
    2009-10 23 2010-11 27 2011-12 22 2012-13 25 97
    2007-08 25 2008-09 21 2009-10 23 2010-11 27 96
    2012-13 25 2013-14 15 2014-15 32 2015-16 24 96
    2011-12 22 2012-13 25 2013-14 15 2014-15 32 94


    2 Notre Dame has claimed back-to-back in-season tournament titles over the past two seasons - the 2016 Legend Classic in Barclays Center and the 2017 Maui Jim Maui Invitational last week. Senior guard Matt Farrell was named Most Valuable Player of both tournaments, averaging 19.4 points in five games. See page 3 for more on Farrellís tournament statistics.
    3 Number of 20-point games so far this season for sophomore guard T.J. Gibbs. The first three 20-point games of his career, Gibbs has also increased his career-high for points in a game in each performance (21 vs. DePaul, 23 vs. Chicago State, 26 vs. LSU).
    5 Notre Dame moved up to No. 5 in both the Associated Press and USA Today Coaches Poll this week. It is the highest poll ranking for the program since the Irish finished No. 8 in the final 2015 AP poll (the team finished 5th in the final 2015 coaches poll released after the NCAA tournament). See page 2 for more poll history.
    6 Notre Dame has started the 2017-18 season 6-0 - the second consecutive year the Irish have began the year with six or more wins. The 2016-17 season set the mark for a Mike Brey team with a 9-0 start to the season.
    7 Senior forward Bonzie Colson is ranked 7th in the nation for offensive efficiency, as rated by Colsonís 125.5 number places him as the only ACC player in the top 10. Colson also ranks as kenpom.comís second-rated player for National Player of the Year.
    30 Senior Matt Farrell has connected on at least one three-point field goal in 30 consecutive games, the longest streak of any ACC current player.
    80 Field goal percentage on the season (20-25) for senior forward Martinas Geben, who provided the game-winning points at the free throw line with two seconds remaining in the Maui Invitational championship game against No. 6/6 Wichita State.
    97 Notre Dame and Michigan State will be meeting for the 97th time on Thursday night, but just the second time since 1979. See page 9 for a full review of the Notre Dame - MSU series.
    118.6 Adjusted offensive efficiency rating for Notre Dame this season, according to - the third-best in the nation.
    751 Career rebounds for Bonzie Colson, the 10th Irish player to reach the 1,300-point, 700-rebound career plateau.

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    Great early season matchup.

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    That was not a good showing tonight

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    Quote Originally Posted by marv81s View Post
    That was not a good showing tonight
    No but Sparty is legit. I don’t think many that follow CBB were expecting a close game...especially after ND played so precise in the Championship Game of the Maui Invitational. The Irish Illustrated guys thought a 10-pt loss would be a decent showing. Brey wanted to see what he has vs a team with Final 4 potential. This should pay dividends going forward. ND ran into a buzzsaw but this is not CFB & there’s plenty of games to be played so ND should be fine.

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    By Travis Hines Nov 30, 2017, 8:43 PM CST
    Four takeaways from No. 3 Michigan State’s dominating win over No. 5 Notre Dame

    With the ACC having already secured a landslide victory in its annual challenge with the Big Ten, Thursday night promised to offer some respite into the one-sidedness of the competition.

    Well, the Big Ten added to its paltry win total, but there wasn’t much in the way of competition as No. 3 Michigan State walloped No. 5 Notre Dame, 81-63, to improve to 6-1 on the season and send the Fighting Irish to their first loss of the season.

    The Spartans controlled the game from the outset, getting up big early and withstanding a second-half charge from the Irish. Notre Dame, especially at the Breslin Center, was simply no match for Michigan State.

    Josh Langford and Cassius Winston both had 17 for the Spartans with Winston also contributing seven assists. Miles Bridges had 14 points and Nick Ward 12.

    Bonzie Colson led the way for the Irish with 17 points while Rex Pflueger had 15.

    It was a dominating performance from the Spartans, who have made a habit of being dominating since that Champion’s Classic loss to Duke. Their last five wins have all come by at least 18 points.

    Here’s what we learned Thursday:

    Michigan State at full-bore is scary good

    The Spartans were dominant for about 30 minutes of this game, having to withstand about a 10-minute second-half push from Notre Dame. When they were on, it was clear that Michigan State is among the top tier of teams that appear capable of winning a national championship. Duke’s win over Tom Izzo’s team and its run through the PK80 has them at the front of the line right now, but the Spartans aren’t far behind.

    Against a top-five opponent, Michigan State shot 51.4 percent in the first half despite 4 of 13 from 3-point range. The held the Fighting Irish to 37.9 percent shooting (3 of 11 from 3) and forced six turnovers to be 20 points better heading into halftime.

    There was that lull from the Spartans after halftime – and give credit to Notre Dame for punching back – but Michigan State still at least 12 points from four starters and nine from Matt McQuaid off the bench. Jaren Jackson was the sole starter not to break 10 points, but foul trouble limited to 14 minutes and he still managed three blocks.

    It’s not surprising or news to notice that Michigan State is really, really good, but it’s still impressive to see them at full stride.

    Bonzie Colson is awesome, but does have his limitations

    The Notre Dame senior is one of the best players in college basketball. He’s incredibly fun to watch as a 6-foot-5 forward with an expansive wingspan. The guy gets buckets.

    But when faced with a defender with size, length and/or athletcism, it can cause problems for him.

    That’s what happened Thursday night.

    Colson was 6 of 19 from the floor (31.5 percent) against the Spartans, who were able to throw a number of defenders at him, though it was Jackson (6-10 with a 7-f wingspan) that really gave him fits. What makes him so strong is his efficiency, and Michigan State took that away completely.

    Miles Bridges shouldn’t settle for jumpers

    Michigan State’s star had a so-so night with 14 points, six rebounds, four assists and a block, but he was 6 of 15 from the floor and committed three turnovers in 32 minutes. The biggest issue for Bridges is that he wasn’t getting to the rim in the halfcourt with much consistency, instead launching 3s. He made just 1 of 7.

    Bridges can make 3s. He’s actually a pretty good shooter from distance, having converted at a 38.9 percent clip last year and coming in at 36 percent this year. But he’s too much of a dynamic physical weapon with his size and athleticism to shoot from 3 that much, taking the pressure of a defense that would likely nothing more than to avoid the prospect of getting dunked on by Miles Bridges. He’s shot at least five 3s in four of Michigan State’s seven games.

    If Bridges can use the 3-point shot more as a strategic threat than principal play, it’ll go a long way.

    The Spartans are going to blow through the Big Ten

    The Big Ten got absolutely waxed in its annual matchup with the ACC, dropping 11 of 15 games. It’s a pretty good indication that the league, as a whole, just isn’t as strong as most years. Minnesota and Purdue have probably looked the best of the potential contenders, but neither of those teams appear to be at an elite level.

    That really just leaves Michigan State to carry the banner for the conference this season, and, as noted above, they are more than capable of doing just that. The Spartans appear poised for a No. 1 seed in a couple months, and, given that it won’t be surprising if they clear the Big Ten by three or more games, the conversation will likely be about their worthiness for the top overall seed.

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