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Svoboda
04-24-2008, 01:14 PM
It always seems to work out for the best, doesn't it? Granted, you never like to lose players to injury, transfer or whatever the reason my be, but it just seems like it has worked out well for the Irish. If you remember back to the last installment of my "State of the Union" address, the Irish were in a potentially sticky situation for this upcoming recruiting class -- possibly having as few as 11 open scholarships in 2009.

However, since that last installment dated 6/20/2007, the Irish have lost Munir Prince (transfer to Missouri), Zach Frazier (transfer to Connecticut), Demetrius Jones (transfer to Cincinnati), Matt Carufel (transfer to Minnesota), Konrad Reuland (transfer to Stanford), Bartley Webb (career ending injury) and Darrell Hand (career ending injury). Generally losing seven players like that would put a serious hurt on any team, however, the Irish lost kids that were not major contributors. So, as I said, it seemed to work out for the best.

So let's take a look at how the 2009 Fight Irish roster will look in terms of players that are on scholarship:

Scholarship Breakdown: 2009 Total Scholarships (70)

Fifth Year Senior 2009 (7)

QB Evan Sharpley
FB Asaph Schwapp
WR D.J. Hord
LB Scott Smith, Kevin Washington
S Kyle McCarthy, Ray Herring

Senior 2010 (22)

RB James Aldridge, Barry Gallup *
WR George West, Richard Jackson *, Rob Parris
TE Will Yeatman, Luke Schmidt *
OT Sam Young
C Dan Wenger *
OG Eric Olsen, Chris Stewart *
DE John Ryan
DT Paddy Mullen *
LB Toryan Smith, Morrice Richardson, Kallen Wade *
CB Darrin Walls, Raeshon McNeil
S Sergio Brown, Jashaad Gaines, Leonard Gordon *
K Ryan Burkhart *

Attrition: Zach Frazer, Demtetrius Jones, Konrad Reuland, Matt Carufel, Munir Prince, Bartley Webb

Junior 2011 (18)

QB Jimmy Clausen
RB Armando Allen, Robert Hughes
FB Steve Paskorz *
WR Duval Kamara, Golden Tate
TE Mike Ragone
OT Matt Romine #, Taylor Dever *
OG Andrew Nuss *
DE Kerry Neal, Emeka Nwankwo *
DT Ian Williams
LB Aaron Nagel *, Brian Smith
CB Gary Gray #
S Harrison Smith *
K Brandon Walker

Sophomore 2012 (23)

QB Dayne Crist
RB Jonas Gray
WR John Goodman, Mike Floyd, Deion Walker
TE Kyle Rudolph, Joseph Fauria
C Braxton Cave, Mike Golic
OG Trevor Robinson
OT Lane Clelland
DE Sean Cwynar, Ethan Johnson, Kapron Lewis-Moore
DT Hafis Williams, Brandon Newman
LB Anthony McDonald, Paul Posluszny, Darius Fleming, Steve Filer
CB Jamoris Slaughter, Robert Blanton
S Dan McCarthy

Preferred Walk-On: QB Nate Montana

As it stands, the Irish potentially have 70 scholarships committed for the class of 2009. If that were to stand as-is, the Irish would have 15 scholarships available in the 2009 recruiting class. It is highly doubtful that the Irish have all seven fifth-year eligible seniors return in 2009. That number is more likely to end up just one -- safety Kyle McCarthy, who looks to be a major contributor to the Irish secondary in 2008. Even so, I like to leave 2-3 scholarships open "just in case" and I did the same thing last year. So doing the math, that allows the Irish to extend 19 scholarships in 2009.

Anticipated Position Breakdown

The breakdown seen below is a well balanced class and one that continue to build upon what Coach Weis and staff have done over the last three seasons. The Irish again need to focus on the offensive and defensive lines and continue to lay the groundwork for eventual (hopefully) National Championship runs in '09, '10 and '11 under Jimmy Clausen and/or Dayne Crist.

QB (1) None
RB (2) Cierre Wood, Theo Riddick
WR (2) None
TE (1) Jake Golic
OL (4) None
DL (4) Tyler Stockton
LB (2) None
DB (2) None

I see the wheels spinning. You've added it up and that doesn't equal 19, right? You're correct. I've identified the way I'd like to see 18 spots filled and I've left one spot out because it could go in any of four places: offensive line, defensive line, linebacker or defensive back depending on how the Irish feel they've addressed their needs and who is still available.

As it stands right now, the Irish class stands at four commitments, leaving 15 more spots to fill. The Irish already appear to be done at tight end and running back and are on a similar pace to last year when they had 15 verbals by the end of June. I don't look for the Irish to be in the same position come June as some of the elite prospects they have offered will want to see on-the-field results after the 3-9 season... and rightfully so. However, with the May evaluation period underway and more and more kids ending their recruitment earlier each year, things could pick up in a hurry.

So there you have it. This is a glimpse into the next 12 months of Fighting Irish recruiting. After signing the 2nd rated class in 2008 and having back-to-back top 10 classes the previous two seasons, the Irish really need to show improvement on the field if they want to continue to land the nations elite prospects. After taking in the Blue-Gold Spring game this past weekend, we believe the Irish are well on their way. Strap in folks, because the 2008 football season is going to be one helluva ride! Go Irish... oh, and DOWNHILL!

ASTERISK LEGEND
* = Player may be eligible for 5th year of eligibility
# = May be granted medical redshirt

BleedingB&G
04-24-2008, 01:30 PM
great work svo

IrishGrizz
04-24-2008, 02:21 PM
Love the overall view. Big picture is hard to maitain when you get so tied into the individual battles for recruits. Thanks again Svo=:theking:

SouthernIrish
04-24-2008, 03:09 PM
Great job!

rontdtarchala
04-24-2008, 03:30 PM
what I like is it gives you the whole picture and where we need recruits...love it!

daytonirish
04-24-2008, 04:55 PM
Great job svoboda. I was just thinking about doing something like this. Dang you go and beat me to it. :bigsmile:

IrishBulldog77
04-24-2008, 04:58 PM
Re the potential 19 recruits for '09, you should factor in the likelihood of more attrition from the existing sholarship players. Maybe another 2-3?

SoCalDomer
04-24-2008, 05:01 PM
Even so, I like to leave 2-3 scholarships open "just in case" and I did the same thing last year. So doing the math, that allows the Irish to extend 19 scholarships in 2009.


you probably factored this in, but I believe CW saves at least one schollie for a walk-on who earned it.

ALLND62
04-24-2008, 09:43 PM
Thanks SVO for puting it all out there in an orderly fashion.

Svoboda
04-24-2008, 09:57 PM
Love the overall view. Big picture is hard to maitain when you get so tied into the individual battles for recruits. Thanks again Svo=:theking:
I'm a fiend for the GM type of stuff... I was the geek playing Strat-o-matic baseball back in grade school.

irish_bobcat
04-24-2008, 10:05 PM
Great job Svo. Nice point about all the players that we lost weren't players that were making serious contributions.

rontdtarchala
04-25-2008, 12:06 AM
What it says is in 09 we will be loaded with experienced talent....

IrishGrizz
04-25-2008, 09:34 AM
What it says is in 09 we will be loaded with experienced talent....

ron- I tell myself this year is like a shake-down cruise for the '09 & '10 runs for the NC. And I still expect good things this year anyway.

scooper
04-25-2008, 10:36 AM
Nice work, Boda.

A few thoughts:

I would not be surprised if there isn't more more spot for a TE if the right one wants it. They seem to still be quietly beating the TE bushes. Reuland threw the 2-1-2-1 plan out of whack and the Yeatman situation may have them spooked a little. Charlie loves him some TEs. If nothing else, one of the DL spots could be filled with a guy who could play either.

Looking at this year's juniors and projecting forward, it looks like the '10 class will be another 18-19 player class. If they could start to average in the 19-21 range yearly, that would be ideal.

Looking again at this year's juniors, with Young and Olsen guaranteed to move on and the possibility that Wenger and Stewart may have high draftworthy stock after the 09 season, it is very important they land a good OL class this year. An elite tackle may have a great shot at earning a starting role in his sophomore year. There will be competition from the likes of Dever, Romine and Clelland, but that's not a lot of depth. Especially considering Romine's injury issues.

IrishKnight1023
04-25-2008, 11:32 AM
As of right now there is not even a hint of our offensive lineman being NFL caliber let alone leaving ND early to do so.

rontdtarchala
04-26-2008, 02:18 AM
agree big time grizz...and our oline is anything but nfl material...they have a very long way to go...that being said they need to step it up and make some serious changes in their play

MirageSmack
05-04-2008, 05:42 PM
I'm likely in the minority, but I think you could even skip a QB this year, considering your prefered walkon plays that position. Then next year target a top QB prospect. That would save one spot right there.

rontdtarchala
05-04-2008, 06:28 PM
I would tend to agree with you smack...I'm more interested in some ol and dl to be honest

IrishR#1
05-04-2008, 06:39 PM
We could skip a QB if Crist doesn't play this year as well. Montana and Crist will probably be redshirted and have four years of eligibility starting in 09. It isn't a necessary position, and we don't want to take a mediocre QB when we could have signed a top 75 defensive end or something like that.

scooper
05-05-2008, 09:10 AM
A preferred walk-on is a preferred walk-on for a reason. And this one, bloodline aside, wasn't even the starter for his HS team.

Uh uh. They need to take a QB this year. With Sharpley tearing it up on the diamond this year, chances are this may be his last go-round in football.

Two scholarship QBs is not enough. Hell, they should have four, but taking two this year would be too much. Injuries happen, and not everybody lives up to recruiting billing. You need bodies. Bodies who are qualified enough to earn a scholarship.

Does anybody remember the UCLA game last year? Imagine being UCLA in that situation.

No way, no how is the QB depth good enough not to take one this year. It doesn't have to be an elite five star guy. But it should be a good kid with enough talent to play division one football under scholarship. He should have the physical tools to potentially develop into a starter and the drive to try and overcome the others around him.

There are legitimate DI QBs out there who would take an ND scholarship this year in spite of Clausen and Crist. They really should take one of them. And probably are going to.

irishunclebill
05-05-2008, 09:16 AM
A preferred walk-on is a preferred walk-on for a reason. And this one, bloodline aside, wasn't even the starter for his HS team.

Uh uh. They need to take a QB this year. With Sharpley tearing it up on the diamond this year, chances are this may be his last go-round in football.

Two scholarship QBs is not enough. Hell, they should have four, but taking two this year would be too much. Injuries happen, and not everybody lives up to recruiting billing. You need bodies. Bodies who are qualified enough to earn a scholarship.

Does anybody remember the UCLA game last year? Imagine being UCLA in that situation.

No way, no how is the QB depth good enough not to take one this year. It doesn't have to be an elite five star guy. But it should be a good kid with enough talent to play division one football under scholarship. He should have the physical tools to potentially develop into a starter and the drive to try and overcome the others around him.

There are legitimate DI QBs out there who would take an ND scholarship this year in spite of Clausen and Crist. They really should take one of them. And probably are going to.

No matter what the depth chart looks like, Charlie Weis is going to take a QB every year as long as he can get as Scoop says a legitimate D-1 QB to commit. We may see the proof of that today if Bridgford gets his offer, and if Bridgford is offered and does not commit, I would expect a guy like Budmayr, who is also a legitimate D-1 prospect, to eventually get an offer.

SoCalDomer
05-05-2008, 11:32 AM
A preferred walk-on is a preferred walk-on for a reason. And this one, bloodline aside, wasn't even the starter for his HS team.


There was more to that though. He wasn't the starter because he transfered to the school his Jr season. Also, if I'm not mistaken he didn't start playing QB until his sophmore season or something like that. My details may be wrong, but there was more to this than Nate is just a so-so QB.

I don't disagree with the rest of your post, though.

irishunclebill
05-05-2008, 11:52 AM
There was more to that though. He wasn't the starter because he transfered to the school his Jr season. Also, if I'm not mistaken he didn't start playing QB until his sophmore season or something like that. My details may be wrong, but there was more to this than Nate is just a so-so QB.

I don't disagree with the rest of your post, though.

It's kind of difficult to determine just how good of a prospect Nate is because he was not even second string at DeLaSalle, and the second string QB was only a Junior. Also they are more of a running team than a passing team anyway. They had about 5,200 yards of Total Offense in 2007, and less than 2,000 of that total was from the Passing Game, of which Nate threw for only 165 yards in very sparse playing time.

Nate certainly has the pedigree to be a successful D-1 QB, but from an interview that the Montana's did shortly after the transfer to DeLaSalle, I got the distinct impression that the move was made more for younger brother Nick's benefit than Nate's. If Nick can beat out the second string QB from last year, he has the opportunity to be the #1 QB at DeLaSalle for both his Junior and Senior years. However, it should be noted that Nick was not even on the Varsity roster last year as a Sophomore.

Bottom line is that as a Montana, Nate is a wild card talent wise, but there is no way he could have earned a D-1 scholarship based on his performance as a High School player.

Rocket89
06-16-2008, 08:09 PM
I think I am with you Miragesmack. If you look at the offers this year, no QB's. I just hope that Dayne Crist is willing to wait it out. You have to believe he is knowing that JC is going to have the inside track on the position for at least the next year. WIth a healthy JC showing development (healthy + 1yr) Coach Weis will be Mr. QB guru again and we will have our pick of the litter. As always I hope I am right.

Go Irish!

KamaraPolice
06-18-2008, 01:34 PM
So did aaron nagel transfer or not?

irishunclebill
06-18-2008, 02:00 PM
So did aaron nagel transfer or not?

He's not at ND, don't believe he has announced specifically where he is going, but I would be shocked if it is not Northwestern.

marv81s
06-18-2008, 02:16 PM
he officially picked NW, I believe that was announced last week in the local newspapers around here

marv81s
06-18-2008, 02:20 PM
Saturday, June 7, 2008
Aaron Nagel Transfers from Notre Dame to NU
It's official....and I'm officially late to the party on this story that is nearly 36 hours old. As we hoped, Aaron Nagel, older brother of incoming freshman superback, Brett Nagel, has transferred to Northwestern. The Cats were the first to offer the linebacker a scholarship in 2006 according to Rivals.com and now Aaron will become the second brother combo on the Cats (along with Quentin and Nate Williams) with a chance for a third (Watt brothers). Nagel must sit out the 2008 season and will have three seasons of eligibility remaining and will be an immediate candidate to replace to-be-departed seniors Prince Kwateng and Mike Dinard.

Welcome to Wildcat Nation, Aaron. Unlike Notre Dame, we are absolutely thrilled to have you! Nagel marks the fifth Notre Dame transfer since 1999.
Posted by Lake The Posts at 12:15 AM
Labels: Recruiting

http://www.laketheposts.com/2008/06/aaron-nagel-transfers-from-notre-dame.html

irishunclebill
06-18-2008, 02:29 PM
http://www.laketheposts.com/2008/06/aaron-nagel-transfers-from-notre-dame.html

Thanks Marv, never saw the confirmation.

bayirish
06-18-2008, 03:11 PM
What a cheapshot that scumbag author throws in at the end....

irishunclebill
06-18-2008, 03:24 PM
What a cheapshot that scumbag author throws in at the end....

Bloggers!! UGH!!

Oops, of course your excluded Stoney.

marv81s
06-18-2008, 03:35 PM
i choose to ignore the stupid

I was going to leave a comment for the moron, but whats the point

rontdtarchala
06-18-2008, 03:59 PM
apparently he didn't want to put out the effort that would be required to move up the ranks... sorry that's the only way I see it... if you are not at the top you work harder and harder till you are

daytonirish
06-18-2008, 04:46 PM
What is this wildcat nation he speeks of ? Can't figure out why someone from Northwestern would talk about the Kentucky Wildcats. :Bigsmile:

If he is refering to Northwestern, my bad I didn't realize you would call yourself a nation when you don't even fill your stadium on homecoming weekend.

IrishGrizz
06-18-2008, 04:51 PM
5 guys who couldn't cut it at ND, transferred to NW. Who would brag about this? NW takes guys who can't make it, so they go where there is an easier path for them to take. Not exactly a selling point to me.

rontdtarchala
06-18-2008, 06:48 PM
totally agree grizz

robertsgolf
07-28-2008, 04:13 PM
Great info.

SpanishElite
07-28-2008, 06:23 PM
Good stuff IUB. Need a bit of updating though :bigsmile:

UT DOMER
08-06-2008, 06:58 PM
Grizz you are totally right