'08 SC OG Kenneth Page (Clemson LOI/ Transfer to Coastal Carolina)

[Svoboda]

Offensive Guard
Columbia (SC) A.C. Flora

Ht: 6-foot-4
Wt: 272 lbs
Forty: 5.2 secs

[IrishCalves]

I'm not entirely sure why it is, but I'm a flag waiving, card carrying member of the Kenneth Page fan club. Part of it is how much emphasis he places on academics (it comes up in every article, in more than "politically correct" terms), part of it is how he said he doesn't know who his top 5 would be, but that Notre Dame would be in it and get an official visit, and part of it... I'm just not sure.

That said, if we do end up making good on our earliest guesstimates, and take in a 4th OL, I really hope it is Kenneth Page. Patchan would be really nice too, but I hope fans understand that this kid has big time potential too. 40+ offers... this kid is a national prospect. Maybe doesn't get the recruiting service love like some but the offers are a pretty good indicator of how the coaching staffs view this kid. In a way (not all of them), he reminds me of an offensive Omar Hunter. The services haven't seemed to catch on yet with either, but both have big time potential, with their best days ahead of them.

I feel he would definitely fit in with the style of game some of us are looking forward to seeing this fall. He plays tackle in HS, but most everyone sees him as a true guard prospect. What little I've seen of him has him mauling guys as a run blocker, playing to and through the whistle.

I have very little idea in the way of where ND's OL recruits will end up. That said, when I daydream about our offensive line years from now, it definitely features Kenneth Page and Braxston Cave being the road graters at G.

Alrighty, I'm off my soap box.

A film review on Kenneth Page (http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/news?slug=rivals-134708&prov=rivals&type=story_recruiting)

[IrishKnight1023]

His film isn't that impressive, but I keep hearing "UPSIDE, UPSIDE!" and with all of those offers, I'd be willing to welcome him because with all of our OL hauls when Nwankwo, Nuss and Stewart move back to OL he won't be seeing the field too soon. Which is why we're taking all kinds of "upside" kids this year....Golic, Clelland. I think Cave is already a beast though.

[untitledproject]

Bunch of people call me crazy that i'm not on the Darrell Scott bandwagon. Mostly because 'I believe' in all of his reels he basically looks like the biggest player on the screen + the Horrid tackling makes him look like a god. Certain backs clearly make guys miss, I just don't see that with him.

[weis19]

i agree about kenneth page he has a very impressive offer list i would love to see nd land him

[robdog_5]

untitled Scott plays in one of the most competitive leagues around in a talent rich area, so it's not because he is playing slop out there, he maybe just that good. As for Page I like him alot too, and out of the three out there I would only take Patchan above him, but Page for me I like more then Frost

[untitledproject]

untitled Scott plays in one of the most competitive leagues around in a talent rich area, so it's not because he is playing slop out there, he maybe just that good. As for Page I like him alot too, and out of the three out there I would only take Patchan above him, but Page for me I like more then Frost

I've heard that as well, but until I see someone on the field with equal size to him, I could care less about his reels.

BTW, how's recruiting going for your boy out there?

[IrishKnight1023]

I've heard that as well, but until I see someone on the field with equal size to him, I could care less about his reels.

BTW, how's recruiting going for your boy out there?

----Did his team play Clausens last year or the year before?

[untitledproject]

----Did his team play Clausens last year or the year before?

No, he didnt play them last year. Moorpark did play Westlake Village not OC WV, though. Robdog, Scott transferred to St. Bonny?

[IrishCalves]

Per ESPN, he's agreed to participate in their All-Star game. And by the way, I wouldn't read into the listed favorites - its ESPN's coverage we're talking about here. All they're good for are their chat sessions they have between fans and recruits. Thats about it.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/recruiting/briefingroom?playerId=46793

[robdog_5]

Yes Scott did transfer to St Boneventure.

Ryan Deehan's recruiting is going well, his lists looks something like this right now, ASU, UCLA and Colorado probably in that order. I think Washington may have an outside shot. He wants to stay out west it seems, and UCLA was probably the favorite until they started to pressure him into committing right now, he didn't like that so took a step back and is looking more at ASU right now

[untitledproject]

http://www.goldhelmet.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6860#post6860 :)

[Svoboda]

A.C. Flora offensive lineman Kenneth Page (6-3, 290) plans to make an unofficial visit to Clemson this week. He was scheduled to make an unofficial visit to Georgia Tech over the weekend. He has also made recent stops at Auburn and Alabama. He has not narrowed his list, but he said Notre Dame and Stanford are strong possibilities for visits.

http://www.thestate.com/colleges/story/125904.html

[YoungIrish]

I feel like we have alot of options on the offensive line..Im just afraid someone is going to beat Robinson out for the space...no offense..but I want Robinson over someone like Page or Forst..

[IrishCalves]

Its pretty apparent by the inclusion of GT, ND, and Stanford that he's serious about getting an education. Not sure about the grad rates of GT actually, but... well, I can confidently say they aren't like FSU, and seeing a super star like Calvin Johnson have time for things like this (http://www.gatech.edu/news-room/release.php?id=1115) reflects well on the university's emphasis on academics for their student athletes.

I'm a big fan of Kenneth, and I wish there were room for Trevor and Page, but that's very unrealistic. That said, while I think both could be excellent road graters at OG, Trevor is further along than Kenneth at this stage. I too would want Robinson over Forst and Page, though its closer than you'd think.

And as for decisions? I think Trevor tips his hand before any of the other OLineman that have been offered. Just a hunch, little more than.

[Fishin'_Irish]

Never knew Calvin was involved in that the sanitation project. That's great for him, and great for Page that he values an education. I'm always excited to see recruits choose a school for more good reasons than just football, even if they don't pick us.

[Ricochet]

I'm a big fan of Kenneth, and I wish there were room for Trevor and Page, but that's very unrealistic. That said, while I think both could be excellent road graters at OG, Trevor is further along than Kenneth at this stage. I too would want Robinson over Forst and Page, though its closer than you'd think.
I'm also a big fan Kenneth Page but I rate Robinson as the best OG in the nation followed by the likes of Kenneth Page and Josh Jenkins. I agree ideally it would be great to get both but I like what ND's got in Cave and Golic Jr.

[irishunclebill]

Page to announce a list of his Top 10 later this week, but he already has ND, Clemson & South Carolina on his list, so it is probably safe to say they are his three favorites. Link to free Scout article.

http://recruiting.scout.com/a.z?s=73&p=2&c=667837


Page Ready For Cut

By Miller Safrit
Scout.com - Southeast
Posted Aug 13, 2007

NEWBERRY, S.C. -- Kenneth Page is inching closer and closer to his announcement late in the recruiting process, but the next big hurdle for the four-star offensive lineman is imminent as he announces a final ten schools.

"I've got it down to a top ten, and I am going to announce it this week but I want to go over it again with my coaches," said Page.

While he is not quite ready to announce that top ten, Page was able to say three schools were safe through into the next round of cuts.

"Notre Dame and the two in-state schools most definitely."....

[Coyote King]

[QUOTE=IrishCalves;15166]Its pretty apparent by the inclusion of GT, ND, and Stanford that he's serious about getting an education. Not sure about the grad rates of GT actually, but... well, I can confidently say they aren't like FSU, and seeing a super star like Calvin Johnson have time for things like this (http://www.gatech.edu/news-room/release.php?id=1115) reflects well on the university's emphasis on academics for their student athletes.

Like everyone, Tech will lower the standard for athletes, but not to the degree of most schools. If an elite player wants to be in Georgia and is only interested in football, they will go to UGA instead of Tech. Tech usually only gets the players UGA doesn't want, those that have family ties, and those that are serious about a degree. This is especially true of offensive players. A defensive player might be drawn to Tech for the chance to play under Tenuda. Having said all of that, I think your assumption about him being serious about getting an education would be correct by that list of schools.

[irishunclebill]

[QUOTE=IrishCalves;15166]Its pretty apparent by the inclusion of GT, ND, and Stanford that he's serious about getting an education. Not sure about the grad rates of GT actually, but... well, I can confidently say they aren't like FSU, and seeing a super star like Calvin Johnson have time for things like this (http://www.gatech.edu/news-room/release.php?id=1115) reflects well on the university's emphasis on academics for their student athletes.

Like everyone, Tech will lower the standard for athletes, but not to the degree of most schools. If an elite player wants to be in Georgia and is only interested in football, they will go to UGA instead of Tech. Tech usually only gets the players UGA doesn't want, those that have family ties, and those that are serious about a degree. This is especially true of offensive players. A defensive player might be drawn to Tech for the chance to play under Tenuda. Having said all of that, I think your assumption about him being serious about getting an education would be correct by that list of schools.

Yes, but is he serious enough to leave HSU#1 or HSU#2 for that reason. I'm not so sure here.

[IrishKnight1023]

[QUOTE=Coyote King;22020]

Yes, but is he serious enough to leave HSU#1 or HSU#2 for that reason. I'm not so sure here.

----With us being the only school he hasn't visited and he's THAT serious about us. I have to like where we stand right now.

[GhostSpirit]

Mr. Kenneth Page has narrowed it down to ten (10) schools: Clemson, South Carolina, Alabama, Georgia Tech, Florida, Stanford, Maryland, Tennessee, North Carolina, and another'n that escapes me.... Oh yeah, Notre Dame. Page likes the coaches, tradition and academics of ND. Standard prospect talk. However, Kenneth says he's looking for three things: Academics, coaching, and football. Wait, remind me why he likes Notre Dame again... That's right, he likes Notre Dame's coaches, tradition, and academics. Hmmmm....
Kenneth plans to take all official visits.

[IrishKnight1023]

Mr. Kenneth Page has narrowed it down to ten (10) schools: Clemson, South Carolina, Alabama, Georgia Tech, Florida, Stanford, Maryland, Tennessee, North Carolina, and another'n that escapes me.... Oh yeah, Notre Dame. Page likes the coaches, tradition and academics of ND. Standard prospect talk. However, Kenneth says he's looking for three things: Academics, coaching, and football. Wait, remind me why he likes Notre Dame again... That's right, he likes Notre Dame's coaches, tradition, and academics. Hmmmm....
Kenneth plans to take all official visits.

------Well since recruiting has come to a complete hault for the first time since signing day I'd say he can accually take his time most likely. He and Trevor are the only two OL left and I'm thinking TR is just going to recommitt to the Huskers and leave Page as the only one viable option.

[irishunclebill]

Mr. Kenneth Page has narrowed it down to ten (10) schools: Clemson, South Carolina, Alabama, Georgia Tech, Florida, Stanford, Maryland, Tennessee, North Carolina, and another'n that escapes me.... Oh yeah, Notre Dame. Page likes the coaches, tradition and academics of ND. Standard prospect talk. However, Kenneth says he's looking for three things: Academics, coaching, and football. Wait, remind me why he likes Notre Dame again... That's right, he likes Notre Dame's coaches, tradition, and academics. Hmmmm....
Kenneth plans to take all official visits.

I'm not highly optimistic on Page, but he did leak his Top 3 before he named the Top 10, and ND is one of the three with South Carolina & Clemson. Similar to the much maligned KLM if Page does decide to leave his home state ND seems to be his choice. The early leader for Page before his recruiting blew up was Clemson, and they are probably still the team to beat here.

[GhostSpirit]

I am pretty optimistic about Kenny. We've supposedly made his top three even without a visit. Academics are a priority with him (Stanford in top ten). To me, he gives off a Hafis Williams impression. I feel we'll get an official visit so he can finally see Notre Dame in person.

[irishunclebill]

I am pretty optimistic about Kenny. We've supposedly made his top three even without a visit. Academics are a priority with him (Stanford in top ten). To me, he gives off a Hafis Williams impression. I feel we'll get an official visit so he can finally see Notre Dame in person.

Rooting for your optimism GS.:D

[mwinely]

What is his relationship with Bowden at Clemson? Is the uncertainty surrounding Clemson right now a possible deterrent. I think that Bowden is a good coach - but the Clemson faithful are not real happy.

[daytonirish]

I hope we get either Page or Robinson. Charlie's gotten alot of solid guys that are more of a OT type than OG. I realize that players could be brought back over from the DL but if one of these two would come to N.D. along with Cave and Golic it would strengthen the middle of the line.

[irishunclebill]

Page is planning on making Official Visits to the only 2 schools in his Top 10 that he has not yet visited, Notre Dame & Stanford. No specific dates set.

[irishunclebill]

Page has made it official that he will take an Official Visit to ND. Looks as though he will be coming for the USC game.

[scooper]

I'd kind of forgotten about this kid. That's good news.

[IrishCalves]

While I'd still love Big Trev to come on down, I can rekindle my hope for Kenneth Page to hop on board. It would probably be hypocritical for me to reclaim my position as the driver of the Kenneth Page fanbus, but if nobody else claims the job then I may need to.

If it came down to it, maybe the spot previously designated for Sabino can go to a 5th OLineman?!?!

And the answer is yes, ^^^---that is a blatant day dream. I'm sure if I analyzed the comment, I'd find some way to debunk it, by saying his spot would be rolled over for the next class, saved for a walk on, or designated to a different position like RB, WR, or this year's Taylor Dever-come from nowhere player. Its just my daydream, since I'm really high on both of these prospects and can't get enough of OL prospects.

[IrishKnight1023]

While I'd still love Big Trev to come on down, I can rekindle my hope for Kenneth Page to hop on board. It would probably be hypocritical for me to reclaim my position as the driver of the Kenneth Page fanbus, but if nobody else claims the job then I may need to.

If it came down to it, maybe the spot previously designated for Sabino can go to a 5th OLineman?!?!

And the answer is yes, ^^^---that is a blatant day dream. I'm sure if I analyzed the comment, I'd find some way to debunk it, by saying his spot would be rolled over for the next class, saved for a walk on, or designated to a different position like RB, WR, or this year's Taylor Dever-come from nowhere player. Its just my daydream, since I'm really high on both of these prospects and can't get enough of OL prospects.

---I'd want either Trevor (who I think will go back to NU) or Page, but both I'm not interested in. We already have two interior line prospects this year and we're not that shallow on #'s there so taking 4 interior guys in one year is not smart. I've heard the staff has told TR that he could play tackle for them too (a tad suprised by that) so who knows, but I think the next one would be the last one to me but I'm not the coach.

[IrishKnight1023]

http://notredame.scout.com/2/671027.html

“Just a bunch of small talk,” Page said of his conversations with the Irish coaching staff. “They’re just checking up on me and my family, and still letting me know that they’re interested in me.”

[daytonirish]

IrishKnight don't understand what point your trying to make. Sometimes it's the small talk that lets the player know that they're interested in him as more than just a football player. It could work to our advantage with him you never know.

[IrishKnight1023]

IrishKnight don't understand what point your trying to make. Sometimes it's the small talk that lets the player know that they're interested in him as more than just a football player. It could work to our advantage with him you never know.

----I was just posting an excerpt from the story there was no hidden message there.

[marv81s]

good to hear that their still trying, but I'd be shocked if he didn't committ to an SEC school or Miami.

[IrishCalves]

I wouldn't be - at all. The kid wants to visit ND, Stanford. So what's the common denominator that separates them from, say, Clemson, or Auburn... I mean lets be real; how often is it that a kid from the south includes Stanford on their list? Academics will obviously be a real factor in this chase.

[IrishKnight1023]

That may be true Calves, but I'm in the boat of "I'll beleive it when I see it." Myron Rolle? Brendon Beal? and mostly every other recruit. Yes he is visiting Stanford and that sounds good, but I'll beleive it when I see it these kids all say academics are huge but only 5% follow through with it.

[marv81s]

good to hear that their still trying, but I'd be shocked if he didn't committ to an SEC school or Miami.

Disregard this jibberish above, I was thinking of our other OL prospect, Matt Patchan. Sorry.

In the case of Page, ND needs for him to visit, ND makes that cut to 5 teams and he gets up for an official, then I love our chances, but no visit, no chance. By all the things he says about academics and with him having Stanford on his list, he seems like one of those kids that means what he says about the importance of academics.

[IrishKnight1023]

Disregard this jibberish above, I was thinking of our other OL prospect, Matt Patchan. Sorry.

In the case of Page, ND needs for him to visit, ND makes that cut to 5 teams and he gets up for an official, then I love our chances, but no visit, no chance. By all the things he says about academics and with him having Stanford on his list, he seems like one of those kids that means what he says about the importance of academics.

----He's coming to SB for the SC game.

[marv81s]

That is 100% for sure? I didn't know he had anything set up officially with anyone as of yet.


edit:
nevermind, I've seen the article and where he stated that he is coming for that game. Great to read that. Gonna be a fight to get him away from the homestate schools, as always.

[IrishKnight1023]

http://notredame.scout.com/a.z?s=109&p=2&c=673291

"I like the tradition at Notre Dame and the coaching staff is great," Page said. "Coach Charlie Weis is a great coach and is really smart. I think they'll be a top five team this year. I expect a lot from them.

[marv81s]

top 5 this year?

If he is expecting that of ND this year, what is he expecting South Carolina and Clemson to do?

[irishunclebill]

Page went to both the South Carolina and Clemson games this weekend, both unofficial visits. His only set Official Visit continues to be to ND for the USC game. Sounds more and more like this one is a three dog race.

[Spiderman]

Poster on IE is saying that he is hearing Page might be one of our next commits? Should we start to beleive he is that high on the irish?

[stonebreakerwasgod]

I think he is very high on ND right now. Whether he is next in line.......who knows. I wouldn't bet against that tho.

[NDisNCin2010]

oh he's high on ND alright, this from Scout:

"It was Notre Dame Stadium. It was the facilities. It was the locker room, the campus, getting former Heisman Trophy winner Tim Brown’s autograph on the sideline, meeting a big-wig from NBC and just about everything else. A.C. Flora four-star offensive lineman Kenneth Page said it crossed his mind for a second about pulling a Michael Floyd and verbally committing to Notre Dame."

[NDgrandson]

Sweet. Let's pull that trigger Page and join the #1 class in the country, next years biggest turnaround and a team you will win a NC with.

[The New Louis]

These kids see the bigger picture. With the type of athletes we are pulling in we won't be down for long.

[daytonirish]

Well lets hope the family will encourage him to jump on board. We could sure use Page and Trev to come on board.

[irishryan05]

I agree. I heard so much last year about the rapport and comeraderie last year's prospects supposedly had with one another and we saw how that turned out. The kids in this class are special - not only atheletically, but with respect to their attitudes. I love it.

[Spiderman]

article on irisheyes has him saying he thought about pulling the trigger can anyone summarize the article for us who dont have a membership

[IrishCalves]

Does anyone else know if/where his remaining officials are scheduled?

I've always had a good vibe about Page and his interest in ND. From day one he's touted his desire to go to a good business program, as well as attend a school with great tradition. Even beyond that, he's not a typical SEC type kid. Showed interest in PSU, ND, UM, and Stanford all at different points in the recruiting process.

Seems like the type that will carefully measure his options if he can, and take as many officials as he possibly can... but the kid sounds star struck, so I wouldn't be surprised by anything really, other than a pledge to a different school I suppose. Arrow is definitely pointing up.

[Coyote King]

I must say, based on O-line play, and with Floyd on board, Page and Trev are the two biggest needs out there. They could be early impact players.

[IrishCalves]

The film I've seen of Page paints a picture of a rather raw prospect. Then again, I haven't seen senior film, but what I have seen looked like a guy who physically can dominate, but needs to learn better technique. Trevor could be on the 2-deep from Day 1 IMO, but Page... he'd have to come a long way.

But you're right; OL is a big time need. Interior guys in particular, now that Carufel left the team, and Stewart is being worked at RT, temporarily or otherwise.

[The New Louis]

Judging by the technique of our line this year CW better bring in a line coach that is better suited to work with these raw athletes.

[irishunclebill]

Page has no other Official Visits scheduled at this time though it is expected that he will once gain visit both Clemson and South Carolina either on Official or Un-Official visits before he makes his decision.

[irishziggy]

Page has no other Official Visits scheduled at this time though it is expected that he will once gain visit both Clemson and South Carolina either on Official or Un-Official visits before he makes his decision.

until the comments of his official visit came out, i had him pegged on staying in-state.

South Carolina's next home game is Nov 10th vs. Florida, so he might want to attend that one.

Clemson's next home game is Nov 10th vs. WF, then Nov 17th vs. BC.

South Carolina hosts Clemson on Nov 24th.


So maybe he goes to the USC/FL gm, then Clemson/BC, and USC/Clemson to end the year. Just to see how much he doesnt want to stay in-state and how much he loves NOTRE DAME :-D

Wishful thinking, but I'm sure he'll attend a game for each school.

[futurendcoach]

Spiderman look on the last page to get summary you idiot. Your not allowed to post anymore or we are going to delete your account

[irishunclebill]

until the comments of his official visit came out, i had him pegged on staying in-state.

South Carolina's next home game is Nov 10th vs. Florida, so he might want to attend that one.

Clemson's next home game is Nov 10th vs. WF, then Nov 17th vs. BC.

South Carolina hosts Clemson on Nov 24th.


So maybe he goes to the USC/FL gm, then Clemson/BC, and USC/Clemson to end the year. Just to see how much he doesnt want to stay in-state and how much he loves NOTRE DAME :-D

Wishful thinking, but I'm sure he'll attend a game for each school.

According to a South Carolina recruiting site, Page has set his Official for South Carolina on Nov. 30th, and Clemson on January 11th. Neither one of these weekends are Game Days, so I am not sure how accurate this info is. In the same article Page is also quoted as saying that Clemson and South Carolina are recruiting him the hardest, and that he is loving South Carolina right now. Notre Dame is mentioned as nothing more than an afterthought. However, you have to consider the source here as Gamecock land is the heart of ND hata land. This guy would rather bite off his right hand than acknowledge that ND was the leader for a highly rated in-state recruit. That being said, I am still of the opinion that it will be very difficult for ND to take Page away from South Carolina when their major competition is two HSU's.

[benneboy]

Thanks for the update IUB. I was wondering what the status was on him. He seemed to like ND as much or more than anyone else on his visit and then nothing.

[Spiderman]

mike frank last night on power hour said he would consider us the leader for him

[daytonirish]

We very well could be the leader right now. But as IUB has stated it's going to be tough to get him out of HSU. Here's hoping the recruiting jungernot keeps rolling along.

[GoldenShower]

Updated info on Page from ESPN briefing room. It does appear Page will attend the SC - FLA game with a large number of big recruits. You have to assume that they are our biggest competition.

Nov. 8
Kenneth Page, OG
Columbia, SC
A. C. Flora High School


Scouts Grade: 80
ESPN150 Rank: 132
Position Rank: 3 Two schools get chopped from OG Kenneth Page's list
Under Armour All-American Kenneth Page has eliminated Alabama and Stanford from consideration, according to the Spartanburg Herald-Journal.
He's now down to eight schools; Notre Dame [Oct. 19th visit], South Carolina [Nov. 30th visit date], Clemson [Jan. 11th visit date], Florida, Tennessee, Maryland, Georgia Tech, and North Carolina.


Big visit weekend for South Carolina
According to ESPN affiliate TheBigSpur.com, several marquee recruits will be in Columbia, S.C. for the Gamecocks' clash with Florida.
Under Armour All-American's T.J. Lawrence (Lakeland, Fla./Kathleen), cornerback Charles Whitlock (Chester, S.C.), and guard Kenneth Page (Columbia, S.C./A.C. Flora) headline the group.

[irishunclebill]

Updated info on Page from ESPN briefing room. It does appear Page will attend the SC - FLA game with a large number of big recruits. You have to assume that they are our biggest competition.

Nov. 8
Kenneth Page, OG
Columbia, SC
A. C. Flora High School


Scouts Grade: 80
ESPN150 Rank: 132
Position Rank: 3 Two schools get chopped from OG Kenneth Page's list
Under Armour All-American Kenneth Page has eliminated Alabama and Stanford from consideration, according to the Spartanburg Herald-Journal.
He's now down to eight schools; Notre Dame [Oct. 19th visit], South Carolina [Nov. 30th visit date], Clemson [Jan. 11th visit date], Florida, Tennessee, Maryland, Georgia Tech, and North Carolina.


Big visit weekend for South Carolina
According to ESPN affiliate TheBigSpur.com, several marquee recruits will be in Columbia, S.C. for the Gamecocks' clash with Florida.
Under Armour All-American's T.J. Lawrence (Lakeland, Fla./Kathleen), cornerback Charles Whitlock (Chester, S.C.), and guard Kenneth Page (Columbia, S.C./A.C. Flora) headline the group.

Page is actually trying to go to both HSU games on Saturday. The Clemson game is first at 12 P.M., the South Carolina game is not until 7:45 P.M., but it is not going to be easy for him to get to Columbia from Clemson if he stays for the entire Clemson game. It's a 2 1/2 hour drive, but if he leaves at the end of the game, it will take more than an extra hour just to get out of Clemson.

In any case, it's a pretty ambitious schedule for one day, but Page seems to be a very ambitious kid. The other 5 schools on that ESPN list are window dressing, Page will end up either staying in South Carolina at either one of the HSU's, or if he leaves South Carolina, his only destination would be ND.

[daytonirish]

I thought I read somewhere that Jason Sapp thinks we have a real good shot at both Kenneth and big Trev.

[irishunclebill]

I thought I read somewhere that Jason Sapp thinks we have a real good shot at both Kenneth and big Trev.

Not sure about Sapp, but that is Mike Frank's opinion. He has ND as the leader for both of them.

[marv81s]

Sapp likes our chances as well with Page, he still cautions that HSU's represent very real threats and with TR he says that ND is most defiantely in the mix

Not going out on a limb with either of them like everyone else

[GoldenShower]

http://www.govolsxtra.com/news/2007/nov/15/two-visitors-weekend/

According to the Knoxville News Sentinal, it appeared that Page attended the Tennessee - Vanderbilt game on an official.

[NDgrandson]

We really need this guy and Trev. All this talk of WRs is fun and good, but we NEED both Page and Trev. If we miss on either of them I hope their are really good back up plans. Either way, I think Oline is a top need in 2009.

[irishunclebill]

http://www.govolsxtra.com/news/2007/nov/15/two-visitors-weekend/

According to the Knoxville News Sentinal, it appeared that Page attended the Tennessee - Vanderbilt game on an official.

Yes and it now also appears that Page likes Tennessee more than ND. In the latest Scout article on him (which is premium, but free for this weekend) Page had some comments that did not sound too promising for ND, and this was in an article written by an Irish Eyes writer. The rumor that is floating around is that much like Chris Little from last year, Page's mom does not want him to go to school too far from home. ND is still listed by Page as in his final six (Notre Dame, South Carolina, Clemson, Georgia Tech, North Carolina and Tennessee), and he says that no one of the six is his current favorite, but the later specific comments comparing ND & Tennessee do not bode well for the Irish.

Link to free (for now) Scout article:

Page Down To Six (http://notredame.scout.com/2/704438.html)


ND vs. Tenn comments:


Page made his first and only visit to South Bend for the USC game, where he was “blown away.” However, after that he visited Tennessee, and rated the trip to Knoxville even higher.

“I loved Tennessee,” Page stated. “It was great up there. I got that at home feeling when I was up there. I’d say it was little better than Notre Dame. Just the feeling. Knoxville reminded me a lot of the Columbia area.

“Not to say I think less of Notre Dame, I have all my schools in the same order. I have high interest in all six of my favorites. Notre Dame is a great school, but the atmosphere in Knoxville gave me that at home feeling.”

[IRISHDODGER]

Yes and it now also appears that Page likes Tennessee more than ND. In the latest Scout article on him (which is premium, but free for this weekend) Page had some comments that did not sound too promising for ND, and this was in an article written by an Irish Eyes writer. The rumor that is floating around is that much like Chris Little from last year, Page's mom does not want him to go to school too far from home. ND is still listed by Page as in his final six (Notre Dame, South Carolina, Clemson, Georgia Tech, North Carolina and Tennessee), and he says that no one of the six is his current favorite, but the later specific comments comparing ND & Tennessee do not bode well for the Irish.

Link to free (for now) Scout article:

Page Down To Six (http://notredame.scout.com/2/704438.html)


ND vs. Tenn comments:

That's tended to be the kiss of death when prospects from the south mention ND in a similar fashion as Page did. IMO, he's just keeping ND in the mix for window dressing.

[jonesman]

I am seriously doubting we get this kid. He seems to have a serious lean toward a southern school. CW needs to make sure we have a back up plan on a couple more OL kids. We only have 3 commited and need 4 at a minimum. That means we need to find a late bloomer like we did last season in Dever.

[irishunclebill]

Page may be now leaning toward staying in the ACC or SEC, but ND has not given up on recruiting him as he received a visit yesterday from Coaches Lewis & Latina.

[NDChatt]

Any truth to the thought that he may be a TN lean?

[irishunclebill]

Any truth to the thought that he may be a TN lean?

I think that has more to do with him saying that he enjoyed his visit to Knoxville more than South Bend, but that is a frequent afterglow report that you see from recruits. The disconcerting part for ND was that he made the actual comparison. I think he is still more inclined to go to Clemson or South Carolina before Tennessee, and that if he does leave the state it would only be for ND.

[GoldenShower]

From the Atlanta - JC on 11/26. It also has a comment about a late committment. My take is he's still very undecided but ND is still very high on him with the recent in-home visits. Nothing major with him dropping Ga. Tech, but it was recent fresh information.

Gailey’s firing impacts Page; Uzzi still high on Tech
By Jeff Hood

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

Published on: 11/26/07 9:25 PM

Latest news
More Football recruiting...
Kenneth Page of A.C. Flora High in Columbia, S.C., who is rated the 12th-best offensive guard in the nation by Scout.com, admitted Monday evening that Georgia Tech’s firing of coach Chan Gailey will have a negative impact on his recruitment.

“This hurts Tech,” said Page, who is considering the Jackets, Clemson, North Carolina, Notre Dame, Tennessee and South Carolina. “They’re not out of it, but it definitely hurts them.”

Tech will likely hire a new head coach before Page makes a commitment.

“I’ll commit close to signing day [in February],” said Page, who attended Saturday’s Clemson-South Carolina game in Columbia.

Could the new Tech coach rekindle Page’s interest in the Jackets?

“It’d all be according to who they hire,” he said.

[GoldenShower]

Added information about Page from a SC site

November 26, 2007
Page Watches Rivalry Battle
By Phil Kornblut

Count A.C. Flora OL Kenneth Page (6-3 290) among the prospects at the Clemson-USC game last Saturday. "It was a great game," he said. "It's always a great game and a great atmosphere no matter who is hosting. I didn't root for either team. I was indifferent." Page said he got to the stadium too late to talk to any of the coaches. His recruiter from Notre Dame was by the school Monday and he's expecting coaches from Clemson, USC, North Carolina and possibly Tennessee to come by this week. Page will make his official visit to USC this weekend. He will visit Clemson January 11th and North Carolina January 18th. He has made official visits to Notre Dame and Tennessee. He does not claim a favorite.

[irishunclebill]

Page has also added another Official Visit to his already announced list of South Carolina this weekend and Clemson on 1/11. He will also go to UNC for an Official on 1/18. Since he has already taken Officials to ND & Tenn., the UNC Official will exhaust his 5 visit limit. I would take Page at his word that he will not announce until NSD or shortly before, and I will continue to not wait with baited breath to see if that choice is ND. Personally, I would like to see the Irish offer another available OL at this point, even if they consider him to be a Plan B guy. However, I do not see that happening any time soon.

[IrishCalves]

The Tennessee comparison is disappointing. I've always been excited by the possibility of Kenneth Page dawning blue and gold, but things seem to have taken a sharp turn towards ACC/SEC territory.

This is starting to feel like Etienne Sabino part II: repeatedly state a desire to go to a school for academics, only to visit one of the sexier brand name football factories and downplay the academic significance of the college choice.

If you'll examine the graduation rates for football, and compare Notre Dame to Tennessee, you'll see my point (and by the way, this article offers wonderful analysis of both the brighter and darker sides to what we see on Saturdays):

http://stanford.scout.com/2/618619.html

I'm with you IUB. I'll keep a glimmer of hope, but it doesn't look good for us.

[GoldenShower]

Info from local SC newspaper...mention of CW in-home visit


December 02, 2007
Page Makes USC Official Visit
By Phil Kornblut

AC Flora OL Kenneth Page (6-3 290) has made numerous trips to USC over the past year. This weekend he made his most important, his official visit. "My official went great," Page said. "I've been over there a lot. I got another in depth look, especially at their academics." Page said he talked with his recruiter David Reaves and with offensive line coach John Hunt. And he had a chance to talk extensively with head coach Steve Spurrier. "He says they are very interested and they are holding my scholarship," Page said. "He said if I choose they they would be very excited." Page's parents joined him on the visit and Quinton Richardson was his host. Page also has visited Notre Dame and Tennessee and will visit Clemson and North Carolina in January. Notre Dame coach Charlie Weis is scheduled for an in home visit Tuesday. "I can't say I have any order of favorites yet," Page said.

[irishunclebill]

Info from local SC newspaper...mention of CW in-home visit


December 02, 2007
Page Makes USC Official Visit
By Phil Kornblut

AC Flora OL Kenneth Page (6-3 290) has made numerous trips to USC over the past year. This weekend he made his most important, his official visit. "My official went great," Page said. "I've been over there a lot. I got another in depth look, especially at their academics." Page said he talked with his recruiter David Reaves and with offensive line coach John Hunt. And he had a chance to talk extensively with head coach Steve Spurrier. "He says they are very interested and they are holding my scholarship," Page said. "He said if I choose they they would be very excited." Page's parents joined him on the visit and Quinton Richardson was his host. Page also has visited Notre Dame and Tennessee and will visit Clemson and North Carolina in January. Notre Dame coach Charlie Weis is scheduled for an in home visit Tuesday. "I can't say I have any order of favorites yet," Page said.


Actually Page's quote on the academics at South Carolina was a little more expansive to the point of saying that he was really impressed with their academic support system for their business majors.

Which now leads me to my monthly rant on that subject. If we had a curse word thread, all I would say is Sweet F'in Jesus. The academic support system at South Carolina consists of the belles holding the athletes jocks.

Hyperbole, I admit, but another Bealism, this time from Kenneth Page, sets me off every time. When one of these recruits who claims to be into academics first spout out these ridiculous statements about academics at an SEC football factory, you know ND is in trouble with him. First the "Tennessee trip was better" story, now this. I just don't see how some of the gurus continue to say that ND is really still in it for Page. I hope they are right though because we still need some warm bodies on the OL, and it does not look like anyone else is going to get an offer. To me at this point, Page ending up at ND would be just as big a surprise as Harper ending up at ND. However, to their credit the ND coaching staff is still going after both of them hot and heavy.

[daytonirish]

Interesting post over on Irish Envy,makes some sense and would like to know what you think IUB. Sean Cwyner was named all-state OL in ILL. Could Charlie and staff be looing to move him to OL and continue working on getting another DL?

[irishunclebill]

Honestly Dayton I hate those kind of posts. Prister did that last year with Greg Little, the Rivals boys have decided on their own that Fauria is an OL, now there is talk on Cwynar. Cwynar was recruited as a DE, and from everything I have seen and heard that is where he wants to play in college. Now does that mean that if CW needs him to play the OL in college that he would say no or get pissed about it, I don't think so, but I would rather see the coaches and the players figure this out than have the message boarders make up scenarios that in some instances, not with Cwynar, might actually confuse a recruit who gets wind of them.

As to CW still looking at the D-Line, I believe he still is with KLM & Datone Jones, both of whom are ostensibly DE's, although they would probably play like Kerry Neal in ND's defensive scheme.

[daytonirish]

Man IUB I've been getting all over your nerves lately. Guess it's time to go see the doc agian about my delusional thoughts. :p No but I understand what you are saying, propably is better to leave these kind of things between the coaches and the commits.

[grungejunky]

to further iub's argument about cywnar. the offensive line should improve next year as the past two classes have added alot to the depth and talent on the oline. their is a greater need on the defensive side of the ball for a big guy like cwynar. with all that said about the offensive line, itll be interesting to see if they show up to play next season.

[jonesman]

Guys,
A couple things here. ONE, Cwynar is NOT going to play OL. He is a DL first and last. We NEED him on DL. Second, the tough news. I do not expect us to land Page. He is showing so many signs for the southern schools. He will not end up at ND. Finally, do not get all paniced about our OL situation. We finally have 2-3 deep talent at every position in 2008 and 2009. If we get Robinson, we will have filled the OL fine. We may even find another late bloomer like Dever before signing day.

[The Jester]

Actually Page's quote on the academics at South Carolina was a little more expansive to the point of saying that he was really impressed with their academic support system for their business majors.

Which now leads me to my monthly rant on that subject. If we had a curse word thread, all I would say is Sweet F'in Jesus. The academic support system at South Carolina consists of the belles holding the athletes jocks.

Hyperbole, I admit, but another Bealism, this time from Kenneth Page, sets me off every time. When one of these recruits who claims to be into academics first spout out these ridiculous statements about academics at an SEC football factory, you know ND is in trouble with him. First the "Tennessee trip was better" story, now this. I just don't see how some of the gurus continue to say that ND is really still in it for Page. I hope they are right though because we still need some warm bodies on the OL, and it does not look like anyone else is going to get an offer. To me at this point, Page ending up at ND would be just as big a surprise as Harper ending up at ND. However, to their credit the ND coaching staff is still going after both of them hot and heavy.

Nothing against you, Irish Uncle Bill, but you just hit on one of my pet peaves. South Carolina's Moore School of Business is actually pretty distinguished, particularly in the field of international business. In other words, South Carolina actually has a lot to offer business majors. If Page wishes to pursue a career in business, a South Carolina degree will probably take him where he wants to go.

To be fair, I know nothing of the Academic Athletic Director and her/his staff. It is easily conceivable that they are more worried about keeping student-athletes eligible than they are getting them their degrees. However, if Page is as serious about academics as he sounds, he probably won't need those guys getting on him about every assignment.

This leads me to my pet peave. Great academic programs exist outside of Notre Dame, Stanford, Northwestern, and the Ivy League. Potential student athletes caring about academics have other options. It seems every time a recruit seeking great academics starts to lose interest in Notre Dame, Irish fans accuse them of never really wanting successful academic programs at all. This doesn't have to be the case. Sure, the Mendoza College of Business is likely more prestigious than the Moore School of Business, but that speaks more towards the greatness of the Mendoza College of Business than the impotence of the Moore School of Business. Perhaps Page enjoyed the combination of academics and atmosphere in South Carolina than at Notre Dame. Why is he being compared to Beal all of a sudden?

Sorry, Irish Uncle Bill. This wasn't a personal attack. I'm just tired of hearing everyone call recruits liars just because they don't pick Notre Dame.

Oh, and for the record, I believe Page said he enjoyed the campus of Tennessee more than Notre Dame. I was under the impression that it was our academic offices that left Page "blown away". I could be wrong, though.

[Jstehly5511]

Nice IUB. I couldn't agree more. I just saw Kahled Holmes say something similiar about USC. What a F-ing joke.

That was a good arguement Jester, but i think you have to remember. Any way you slice it, an ND degree will out shine a SC degree all day and everyday.

The other factor that IUB is probably basing his frustration on is the Graduation rate among those Athletes. Its pretty hard to argue against ND's 93% Graduation rate and an average of a 3.0 or better for its football players.

Lets take a look at some others:
South Carolina has a solid 68% (Miami or "Thug U" actually has a higher percentage at 70%. Not sure if that number is skewed due to players not actually living until Graduation day) I know, I'll say it before everypne else... That was wrong.
Tennessee a woping 52%
Southern Cal: 57%
Alabama: 49%

Here is your BCS bowl Games:
NC Game:
OSU: 53% (Pathetic)
LSU: 51% (even Worse)

Orange Bowl:
VT: 72% (Believe it or not, this is average)
Kansas: 56% (Coach too busy eating and not making sure his players are getting to class. I know Charlie is fat too, but he's a multitasker. He eats while prowling the University)

Fiesta Bowl:
WVU: 65% (Thats actually high for those Hilbillies)
OU: 44% (Speechless)

Rose Bowl:
USC: 57% (I hate USC)
Illinois: 73% (Again, Average. Their Basketball team graduates 80%)

Sugar Bowl:
Hawaii: 45% (No wonder most of their top recruits go to USC, they want a similiar education)
Georgia: 41% (Seriously this is good. Well compared to their Basketball players 19%)

Now the Schools you mentioned as Great Academics:
ND: 93% (I could say that all day 93%. Just say it, it feels good)
Stanford: 93% (Thats the same as Oklahoma and Alabama Combined)
Northwestern: 94% (If you switch the numbers around, you get Bama's %)

See the problem is that you look at a school who has a good program, but what good is the program when your players can't graduate. Or at least the odds are against them. The numbers don't lie. The next question I'm curious to lear of is what the GPA is of those players who actually graduate.

Breaking News: Of the Players playing in this years BCS games, more than 44% of them will not graduate. I guess Page is hoping that he will be part of the 56% that will. Here' hoping he needs no guidance, being that he's probably 17 0r 28 years old. Should be no problem.

PS: If there are any grammer issues, it was b/c I wanted to attend Yale, but went to Community College instead.

[daytonirish]

I agree that an athlete can get a great education at any school he chooses, but not to many schools worry whether their athletes get a quality education or not. That shows up by the graduation rates of the individual schools. And the funny part to me is the ncaa gives the schools credit for an athlete graduating if he leaves early to go to the nfl.

[irishunclebill]

Nothing against you, Irish Uncle Bill, but you just hit on one of my pet peaves. South Carolina's Moore School of Business is actually pretty distinguished, particularly in the field of international business. In other words, South Carolina actually has a lot to offer business majors. If Page wishes to pursue a career in business, a South Carolina degree will probably take him where he wants to go.

To be fair, I know nothing of the Academic Athletic Director and her/his staff. It is easily conceivable that they are more worried about keeping student-athletes eligible than they are getting them their degrees. However, if Page is as serious about academics as he sounds, he probably won't need those guys getting on him about every assignment.

This leads me to my pet peave. Great academic programs exist outside of Notre Dame, Stanford, Northwestern, and the Ivy League. Potential student athletes caring about academics have other options. It seems every time a recruit seeking great academics starts to lose interest in Notre Dame, Irish fans accuse them of never really wanting successful academic programs at all. This doesn't have to be the case. Sure, the Mendoza College of Business is likely more prestigious than the Moore School of Business, but that speaks more towards the greatness of the Mendoza College of Business than the impotence of the Moore School of Business. Perhaps Page enjoyed the combination of academics and atmosphere in South Carolina than at Notre Dame. Why is he being compared to Beal all of a sudden?

Sorry, Irish Uncle Bill. This wasn't a personal attack. I'm just tired of hearing everyone call recruits liars just because they don't pick Notre Dame.

Oh, and for the record, I believe Page said he enjoyed the campus of Tennessee more than Notre Dame. I was under the impression that it was our academic offices that left Page "blown away". I could be wrong, though.

Jester, no offense taken, you make some good points, but a few things need to be clarified.

1) I was not comparing Page to Beal, merely saying that he made a Beal like statement. Page is much too bright to ever qualify for Beal's lofty status.

2) I did not call Page a liar, that is a mischaracterization on your part. I would just like to see these kids be more forthright in their reasons for choosing a school. Most of what I had seen from Page had stressed academics above all, and his comment about an SEC school in particular seemed somewhat disingenuous to me. We had heard rumors that he wanted to stay close to home, and it seems that may be the most important factor in his decision, not academics. I have no problem with that at all, a recruit needs to go where he is most comfortable. I just wish they would be more forthright about their intentions, but I realize that is a an awful lot to ask.

3) As it turns out other recruiting sites have reported that distance is a factor for Page, so his comments about the academics at USC may have been only part of what he was saying.

4) You are correct that among SEC schools, South Carolina is one of the best, and there is no doubt that any properly motivated kid can graduate just about anywhere. JStehly's post went into detail on the graduation rates for various SEC schools, but he used the GSR which I consider to be bogus. To me if a school is truly interested in their football players as student-athletes then the only graduation rate that is meaningful is the actual graduation rate. The SEC football factories fail dismally in this regard, but South Carolina is one of their best, as they are tied for 2nd with Ole Miss, behind only Vandy, with an actual graduation rate of 58% for their football players. They are also the only SEC school to have a higher actual graduation rate for their black football players than their white football players, which is a rarity throughout D1. As a side note, Urban Meyer's much vaunted and completely fraudulent discourses on how great Florida is with graduating their football players has resulted in the lowest actual graduation rate in the entire SEC, a pitiful 35%.

5) In retrospect, and in accumulating more facts, Page's comments were probably not disingenuous because they referred to a school that is pretty decent in that regard. However, I disagree that ND fans are incorrect to point these things out when they are the case, because other than Stanford, Vandy, BC, ND, and a few other schools, most D1 schools don't give a crap about whether their football players ever graduate, and the SEC is the worst among the BCS conferences in that regard. Again that does not mean that any one of these kids can not be the exception to the rule, but statistically the odds are stacked against them at the football factories. As with every year we see a lot of this "academics are #1 stuff", and in most cases it just does not add up with their choices. EJ is the best example of someone who was sincere about it, and Page may turn out to be another one, but for most it is just lip service. IMO, there is nothing wrong with a kid just coming out and saying that I hope I can graduate, but the football program is what is most important to me. Beal seems to be the worst offender this year, but there have been plenty more, e.g. Sabino & Sweat to OSU, who is just as bad as the lower end SEC schools in graduating their football players, especially their black football players.

6) Page did say that he liked the Tennessee campus better than ND's, there was no mention of an academic comparison, and my post was only in reference to that point. It had nothing to do with academics, but more to do with Page's apparent desire for a location closer to home, something that I did not realize he had expressed in other interviews.

Bottom line is ND is still going hard after Kenny Page which to me means that he is a high quality individual who is very talented on the football field. I hope they land him, but I think they are going to have a difficult time.

In any case, I appreciate your comments, discourse is always good, but an occassional rant is also good for the soul as well.:D

[The Jester]

Great points Irish Uncle Bill. I guess I'm just a bit sensitive on this subject because I don't go to Notre Dame. I'm sorry, but since you gave me numbered points, it is simply too tempting...I must respond.

1. I understand, but you should be careful how you throw that name around. Few things are more insulting.

2. Liar was definitely too strong a word. It just seems to me that some Irish fans feel that they are wronged when a recruit who claims to value education eliminates Notre Dame. I'm not saying some recruits aren't just blowing hot air, but it just doesn't seem right to do so if the main reason is that they have decided not to go to Notre Dame.

3. It makes since that a southerner would like to remain a southerner. Just because academics has been cited as a major factor in the selection of a school doesn't mean it is the only one. Finding the best combination of elements in a school is the most important thing. Wouldn't it seem rather foolish to commit to a school with great academics, but is uncomfortable for you.

4. We see entirely eye to eye here. I would just like to take this opportunity to express my distaste for the "Harvard of the South" as well.

5. I agree that it is deplorable how some schools care so little about their student athletes graduating. I also agree that it does seem as though the odds of graduating are stacked against recruits who commit to such schools. However, many college students get along just fine without the academic support systems that student athletes are a part of. I admit that the schedule of a student athlete is a bit more strenuous than the average student, but I firmly believe a dedicated student athlete can do just fine in school.

6. I was just trying to give hope to those who had given up on Page. I didn't think it was the ND campus that blew away Page. Enjoying the Tennessee campus doesn't necessarily mean they are higher up than us.

I agree that few things are better than a good rant. Sorry for getting in the way of that.

[irishunclebill]

Right on cue to express ND's continued interest in him, Coaches Weis & Powlus are visiting Page today.

[Spiderman]

new update on clemsons rival page on page says he is loving nd right now so im guess his in home visits went very well and people on dd are saying we lead do anyone have any insight on this?

[NDgrandson]

From ESPN.com

Gamecocks' Lindsey has neck slashed during weekend altercation
Associated Press

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3147934

I am sure South Carolina is wishing they did not have this negative publicity.

[irishunclebill]

new update on clemsons rival page on page says he is loving nd right now so im guess his in home visits went very well and people on dd are saying we lead do anyone have any insight on this?

Yes, Spidey, according to at least one source CW's in-home visit went very well and that source reported that ND feels they are doing very well with Page right now because the Page family no longer considers distance to be a problem.

On another note, Page has officially dropped GT from his list, and his final five are South Carolina, Clemson, Tenn., UNC, and ND. He is still planning on taking Official Visits to Clemson & UNC next month and making his announcement at the end of January.

[jonesman]

Even if this kid verbals, I will not celebrate until he signs on the dotted line in February. It just smells too much like last year with Little and his commit, de-commit thing. I just feel he is a southern homebody and even if he commits, he might get those last minute jitters. I really hope we get him, he looks like a great lineman and goood kid. I am just a little leary.

[daytonirish]

It sounds like he going to wait until very late in the process to commit. The longer he waits the more I'll feel positive about a commit from him.

[marv81s]

Page is nothing like the Little's from last year.

He (Page) has been nothing but straight up this whole recruiting process. No reason to be leary of him at all. If he gives his verbal to ND, I really don't think anybody should be leary at all of him wavering.

Last years mass defections are an exception for the most part, not the rule. This years current crop is nothing at all like the motley crue from last year.

[daytonirish]

Marv, I wasn't insinuating that Page is anything like the Littles. My thing is with the last of his visit being mostly too HTU that if he doesn't commit soon I think the chances he commits to the Irsh Increase dramatically.

[NDChatt]

Marv, I wasn't insinuating that Page is anything like the Littles. My thing is with the last of his visit being mostly too HTU that if he doesn't commit soon I think the chances he commits to the Irsh Increase dramatically.

His response was to jonesman.

[daytonirish]

I understand. But I also know that sometimes the things I say I can leave people scratching their heads wondering what the f*** I'm talking about. So I thought I might go back and make my point clear to how I feel. :confused:

[marv81s]

Marv, I wasn't insinuating that Page is anything like the Littles. My thing is with the last of his visit being mostly too HTU that if he doesn't commit soon I think the chances he commits to the Irsh Increase dramatically.

i knew what you meant, it wasn't directed at you.

its all good

[Spiderman]

What were the comments by RJ on Page on the 4hl

[tchris555]

RJ was joking with page that he wasn't tough enough to leave home yet at the Shrine Bowl

[GoldenShower]

Update on Page. Nothing new but it's recent. Also, a link to Tampa Tribune's best of the south, where Page was ranked #18.

December 24, 2007
Page Recognized By Newspaper
By Phil Kornblut

AC Flora OL Kenneth Page (6-3 290) was selected by the Tampa Tribune for its Best of the South High School Football Team. The players will be featured in the paper's Christmas Day edition. Page has taken official visits to Notre Dame, Tennessee and South Carolina. He will visit Clemson January 11th and North Carolina on the 18th. "Everything is still the same," he said. "I talked to (Clemson assistant) coach Scott after a Shrine Bowl practice. I'm just looking at the academics and the coaching stabilty of the schools." Page said he does not have a favorite and does not have an announcement time set.

http://www2.tbo.com/content/2007/dec/25/best-south-no-18-kenneth-page/?sports-prepsports

[daytonirish]

I know we all like it when we get commits early in the process. But the way Kenneth Page is handeling his recruitment is the way these guys ought to do it. Take your time and be sure before you commit to the first school you visit.

[Ibleedblueandgold]

If Page is looking at academics and coaching stability I would think we would be in the lead

[NDIRISH44]

yeah, how long is spurrier going to be @ south carolina and what on earth is going on in knoxville. great atmosphere but so much corruption there. i can't see that offense as effective w/o cutcliffe. speaking of cutcliffe, i know he had apparent health issues when charlie hired him early on but why did charlie let him go? charlie wanted sole OC duties i bet but as a head coach it helps to have quality assistants to handle things around you. cutcliffe with quinn would've been sweet, although w/o him wasn't too bad either!

[daytonirish]

Charlie told him to go home and recover and when he was ready to come back he was more than welcomed to. Cutcliff decided to stay in the south where he has done most of his coaching and Charlie let him go. Cutcliff was also only going to be QB coach at N.D. if I remember correctly. He was given the OC position at Tenn.

[NDIRISH44]

good point, sounds correct. you think charlie is grooming powlus for OC job there someday?

[irish_bobcat]

Powlus could be the next OC after Haywood but he still would not call the plays that will always be Charlie's job.

[daytonirish]

Always is a long time. Charlie will always have his finger in the offensive calls. But after he visits and talks to his friends in the coaching busisness, he may start to give more input to the asst.coaches. And I kinda like the ideal of Powlus being groomed towards the OC. position.

[JDubbs]

Speaking of Cutcliffe, can anyone confirm or deny this info I heard from a fellow Irish fan over the holidays..... He said that while Cutcliffe was at home recuperating, he was in active communication with Fulmer about his knowledge of ND playbooks as Tennesee prepared to play ND.

Hate picking on a sick man, but I can't control my anti SEC bias, he has always struck me as an over rated weasel because he coached 1 outstanding Manning, 1 mediocre Manning, and a 1 year wonder (Tee Martin) at QB. I even read an article about him recently and they listed BQ as one of his protege's. Completely laughable, what did they have time to watch film together before he left?

[daytonirish]

Well if he did he didn't do a very good job because N.D. kicked Tenn. ass. Besides if your friend can't provide anything other than hearsay it's kinda dumb to even mention at this point.

[irish_bobcat]

His advice didn't help them that much.

[jason]

Actually that was a 21-21 game until the early 4th quarter. ND didn't break it open until Samardzija's long catch and run and some good defensive plays.

[daytonirish]

Who really cares about Cutcliff anymore. He's now the HC at Duke.

[GoldenShower]

Who really cares about Cutcliff anymore. He's now the HC at Duke.

One thing about Cutcliffe that could be an impact is on Kenneth Page's recruitment. Certainly, it appears that Clemson / SC / maybe UNC would appear to be more competition as a result. The entire Offensive coaches at UT is being replaced. In the Knoxville News Sentinal, it looks like Detroit Lions Receiver coach Kippy Brown is in negotiations to be UT's OC. Page's recruiter and OL coach will be at Duke.

http://www.govolsxtra.com/news/2007/dec/28/ut-negotiations-kippy-brown/

The Vols will have to replace receivers coach Trooper Taylor, who was hired last week by Oklahoma State as co-offensive coordinator.

The News Sentinel has reported that running backs coach Kurt Roper and assistant offensive line/tight ends coach Matt Luke will likely join Cutcliffe at Duke. Roper is expected to become offensive coordinator and Luke offensive line coach.

[daytonirish]

Great find golden. That's alot of movement at Tenn. Don't know if that effects Kenneth to much, but like you said it could open the door for Duke to grab him.

[jfschellcrna]

eeeewwwww duke????????

[GoldenShower]

Great find golden. That's alot of movement at Tenn. Don't know if that effects Kenneth to much, but like you said it could open the door for Duke to grab him.

I think my intention was to point out the Tenn coaching situation where all of the Assts are moving on. I think it puts Fullmer in a really tough 08 situation being never-ending on the hot seat plus a whole new offensive scheme and coaches to contend with. The impact on Page probably is not that he is considering Duke - it's more to point out that one of Top 5 that he commented about the joy of visiting the campus is probably out. I'm sure that the new OC if it is the Detroit Lions Asst won't have any relationship with Page nor would his OL coach who wouldn't be named towards the end of January.

[NDgrandson]

GS, nice info. You have had quite a few nice posts recently and are quickly becoming an understudy of IUB. Reps.

[NDgrandson]

How is he not in an All-Star game? Stoney says he's a goner. I need a scoop.

[irishunclebill]

How is he not in an All-Star game? Stoney says he's a goner. I need a scoop.

Been hearing a lot of negative vibes about Page lately, the same negative vibes (distance mostly) that were popping up before the December visits seemed to calm them down. I have not seen or heard anything specific enough to definitely say that he is a goner, but we all knew he was going to be tough to get away from Clemson or South Carolina.

BTW, Page is still listed as playing in the ESPN game. Did something change on that?

[NDgrandson]

BTW, Page is still listed as playing in the ESPN game. Did something change on that?

Oh. I just had not heard anything on him so I assumed. Woopsie. I look forward to seeing him in action and i'll keep my fingers crossed.

[NDgrandson]

BGI's Matt Chupp caught up with Team Red offensive lineman Kenneth Page to get his impressions of the recruiting process and his participation in the Under Armour All-America Game. Page is still one of the few uncommitted prospects at either all-star game and has had the Irish among his leaders since his official visit to South Bend in early November for the USC game.


http://www.blueandgold.com/content/?aid=4920

How about just one more? C'mon KP!

[Pete]

http://www.blueandgold.com/content/?aid=4920

How about just one more? C'mon KP!

Wouldn't hold your breath if I was you.

[NDIRISH44]

he'll be staying close to mom like GRob

[marv81s]

He'll end up at Clemson

[NDgrandson]

He'll end up at Clemson

Please! Anyone! Bueler...? Any idea where he is thinking about? We all know Marv knows nothing. :D

Sorry Marv, I had to. Well, that does tell me all I need to know. For the newbies, this is what happens when you want answers. You reference a pay site, and those who know make vague inferences which you must read into. Marv, fresh off a dissing was more than vague as to re-establish that he is infact "in the know."

That's too bad. Another good one gone thanks to Momma's that can't part with their 300+ lb 18 year olds.

[CULion17]

I think since that non english speaking giant went to UGAy over Clemson. Clemson will certainly put the full court press on Page.

[IrishCalves]

I think since that non english speaking giant went to UGAy over Clemson. Clemson will certainly put the full court press on Page.

LMFAO! Seriously, both times he spoke were simply... wow. Wow.

[marv81s]

more details on page is that he has two visits left, the 11th at clemson, the 18th he scheduled to go to NOrth Carolina

He wants to be close to home, and his mom wants him close to home. He's either a gamecock or a tiger, and since South Carolina hasn't been in the game much at all, my money is on him being a tiger. Not a hard bet


I say the only reason ND may have a chance in this is because of somebody's mom talking to Page's mom since they are in the same boat as far as their kids, one is going to go to ND and she wanted her son to stay close to home, but once she say ND and what it has to offer to her son, him leaving home isn't all that bad considering the payout at the end. That is probably ND's only chance. I still don't think it will be enough to sway Page to ND.

Page seems like a great kid and he has handled his recruitment very well. I wish we would get him, but I just don't see it happening

[GoldenShower]

To add to Marv's comments and reasons about Page to Clemson...having 25 prospects over this weekend says a lot and implies a lot of pressure on Page to commit and form relationships. I think the SC comments about falling off though are false. He's already officially visited SC. AC Flora is located in Columbia. I'm 100% sure he's been to the campus and been in contact with their staff almost daily.

Awhile ago, the SB Tribune had a good read on Gary Gray and the negative effects locals placed on him from leaving South Carolina. If Page truly does his due dilligence and evaluates the education of each program, comfort factor with the coaches, football opportunities, etc - he may very well choose ND. Unlike Gary Gray however, Page is not an EE and would have months of hearing about it. Either way, I agree with others that he's handled his recruitment very thorough and modest. It's almost better that he didn't commit after his ND / TENN / SC visits and then started taking thinking about trips.

http://www.goupstate.com/article/20080106/PSPORTS02/647983635/-1/psports
Clemson will have its major recruiting weekend this weekend with about 25 prospects set for official visits. Many of them already have committed to the Tigers but they will have a large number of uncommitted targets on campus. Among the non-committed players scheduled to visit Clemson this weekend are Cheraw WR Jaron Brown (6-3 190), A.J. Harmon, OL Kenneth Page (6-3 290) of AC Flora, LB Jerrell Harris (6-4 215) of Gadsden, AL, OL Ben Jones (6-6 270) of Miami, RB Jamie Harper (6-0 222) of Jacksonville, DB Marcus Jemison (6-2 195) of McCalla, AL, OL Antoine McClain (6-6 294) of Anniston, AL, DB Daniel Andrews (6-0 195) of Jacksonville, OL R.J. Mattes (6-7 285) of Concord, NC, DL Jeremy Lewis (6-3 280) of Palm Beach, FL, DB Seandre Richardson (6-3 190) of Linden, AL and OL Brandon Washington (6-4 311) of Miami.

[irishunclebill]

Maybe all hope is not lost for Page. He went out of his way to tell Irish Eyes that "Distance Is Not An Issue" in his recruitement.

See IE headline blurb:

"Distance Is Not An Issue" (http://notredame.scout.com/a.z?s=109&p=2&c=718200&ssf=1&RequestedURL=http%3a%2f%2fnotredame.scout.com%2f2% 2f718200.html)

That is a good sign considering he has apparently told other sites that distance is indeed a factor, but is this a change, or is Page just telling Irish Eyes what they want to hear after all of the talk in the last few weeks that ND is out of it here. IDK the answer to that, but I would feel a little more confident in that comment if it did not come out right after Page spent a week with Sgt. Slaughter & Colonel Cave who were no doubt in his ear about the Irish whenever possible. Page has been pretty consistently an afterglow effect guy when it comes to ND, every time he has direct contact with the Irish we hear good things immediately thereafter, but then the good feelings seems to fade away.

Hopefully "Distance Is Not An Issue" is a change in strategy for Kenny and not just another reaction to spending time with Slaughter & Cave. In any case, there were some rumblings that Page was about to eliminate some teams from his Top 5, but at this time he is still maintaining that he will make his choice from one of the 5 schools that he is taking Official Visits to:

Clemson, South Carolina, Tennessee, UNC, and ND.

So on paper at least ND is still in the hunt here, and there is no doubt that the Irish staff are still going after Kenny.

[IrishGrizz]

After reading that this morning, I had alot more hope we might still swing him over to the great white north (o.k, midwest) from the hot humid south. Even if it is because of the friendly pressure of Caves and Slaughter- this is where you find your support. If he has established some good relationships with anyone it might be all we need.

Like alot of us, though, its probably just my hopes.

[NDisNCin2010]

getting interesting folks...one HSU down...i say its an Irish/Clemson battle in the end.


http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/recruiting/briefingroom
Kenneth Page has four finalists, cuts South Carolina
Under Armour All-American guard Kenneth Page is no longer considering South Carolina, according to The State. Clemson, North Carolina, Notre Dame, and Tennessee are the only schools still standing with Page.
He's already visited Notre Dame and Tennessee, has a date with Clemson for this weekend, and is scheduled to visit North Carolina on Jan. 18th.

[NDisNCin2010]

if he doesnt commit to Clemson after this weekend visit...i think he goes to ND...just a hunch.

[irishunclebill]

if he doesnt commit to Clemson after this weekend visit...i think he goes to ND...just a hunch.

If he is a man of his word, ha ha, that should not happen. Page has said he will take all of his visits before he decides, and is still scheduled to go to UNC next weekend. So far Page has been pretty solid in following what he says, so I would be surprised, not shocked, if he pulled the Clemson lever after this weekend.

[jonesman]

Do not get your hopes to high on this guy. I am really really confident he will end up down south. I think the distance is not an issue statement is all smoke. I would love for ND to get him since I think one more OL would help. I will not hold any hope for him until NSD is done and he is inked ND.

[domerdude]

Not sure if it means anything or not but isnt he scheduled to visit NC next weekend? I think he is more likely to commit closer to LOI day. Im not an insider but just saying.

[irishunclebill]

Page is back from his Clemson visit, did not commit. On to UNC next weekend.

[and1john]

Apparently Page's visit to Clemson went alright, he gave it a 8/10.

However, he did say something very interesting...

When he was asked about his official visits, he said NOTRE DAME stood out the most, then saying it was first class, like Clemson.

http://notredame.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=760925

This is kinda contradicting. I thought earlier he said Tennessee was his best official...weird indeed, but this makes me feel a lot better about Page. I'd say it's 50/50 between us and Clemson.

[irishjay]

unless gary gray (also s.carolina native) convinces page to come to ND my guess is that he's going to clemson. not to be the pessimist b/c i'd love to see him supporting the gold and blue, but i think he wants to stay in his home state. i

[and1john]

Another note on Page...

http://www.goupstate.com/article/20080113/PSPORTS02/562875223/-1/psports

South Carolina stopped recruiting him because he hurt his shoulder, although it seems to be fine since he played in the Shire Bowl and UA game with the injury. Personally, I think that makes him lean towards ND more because he realizes football is not forever, and he needs a top notch education.

[The Jester]

This is kinda contradicting. I thought earlier he said Tennessee was his best official

I think this was a misunderstanding. Page said Tennessee had a more impressive atmosphere than Notre Dame. or something like that. I was under the impression that he was "blown away" by our academic staff on his visit rather than the atmosphere. The fact that he states Notre Dame as his best visit thus far when taking this into consideration says a lot about Page's priorities, or at least I think so. I've always kinda thought Page would end up at ND (though I am far from a recruiting guru), and him stating that ND stood out the most of all his visits so far combined with the fact that he went out of his way to inform a Notre Dame recruiting web site that "Distance is not a factor" only reinforce this belief in my delusional mind.

[and1john]

I think this was a misunderstanding. Page said Tennessee had a more impressive atmosphere than Notre Dame. or something like that. I was under the impression that he was "blown away" by our academic staff on his visit rather than the atmosphere. The fact that he states Notre Dame as his best visit thus far when taking this into consideration says a lot about Page's priorities, or at least I think so. I've always kinda thought Page would end up at ND (though I am far from a recruiting guru), and him stating that ND stood out the most of all his visits so far combined with the fact that he went out of his way to inform a Notre Dame recruiting web site that "Distance is not a factor" only reinforce this belief in my delusional mind.

I found the article about the Tennessee visit....

Page made his first and only visit to South Bend for the USC game, where he was “blown away.” However, after that he visited Tennessee, and rated the trip to Knoxville even higher.

“I loved Tennessee,” Page stated. “It was great up there. I got that at home feeling when I was up there. I’d say it was little better than Notre Dame. Just the feeling. Knoxville reminded me a lot of the Columbia area.

“Not to say I think less of Notre Dame, I have all my schools in the same order. I have high interest in all six of my favorites. Notre Dame is a great school, but the atmosphere in Knoxville gave me that at home feeling.”

http://notredame.scout.com/2/704438.html


This was wrote by a ND mod, BTW

[The Jester]

Yeah, that's what I thought I remembered it saying. He was blown away by Tennessee's atmosphere. He was also blown away by the academics on his Notre Dame visit (He visited the Medoza College of Business, no doubt). I don't think this translates to Page thinking higher of his Tennessee visit than his Notre Dame one. The writer of that article apparently disagrees with me, but the the other articles you posted seem to side with me. Keep in mind Page never said (at least to me knowledge) that he enjoyed his Tennessee visit more, the writer of the article did. I wouldn't say Page contradicted himself for stating something contradictoty to someone else's opinion.

[IrishGrizz]

Yeah, that's what I thought I remembered it saying. He was blown away by Tennessee's atmosphere. He was also blown away by the academics on his Notre Dame visit (He visited the Medoza College of Business, no doubt). I don't think this translates to Page thinking higher of his Tennessee visit than his Notre Dame one. The writer of that article apparently disagrees with me, but the the other articles you posted seem to side with me. Keep in mind Page never said (at least to me knowledge) that he enjoyed his Tennessee visit more, the writer of the article did. I wouldn't say Page contradicted himself for stating something contradictoty to someone else's opinion.

At this point, we are all just trying to read the tea leaves. That all we've got at this time. Oh, ell, I hope Jonas Gray keeps working him, like he was when he wrote his blog during the AA week.
:D

[IrishGrizz]

Another note on Page...

http://www.goupstate.com/article/20080113/PSPORTS02/562875223/-1/psports

South Carolina stopped recruiting him because he hurt his shoulder, although it seems to be fine since he played in the Shire Bowl and UA game with the injury. Personally, I think that makes him lean towards ND more because he realizes football is not forever, and he needs a top notch education.

&1J, I like the way you think. ;)

[NDisNCin2010]

heck, Page damn near committed when Floyd did after the USC game, he was directly quoted saying as much...something like "i almost commiited when i was up there, too" (ref to Floyd's commit to ND) the week after the USC-ND game...in the end, like all of these kids, he is an impressionable kid that obviously is impressed and more than likely in awe of the opportunities that await him in his 4-5 years in college and the rest of his life and my guess is he will be happy wherever he goes, lets just hope its ND. i think he would do well on all fronts at ND.
note: interseting that South Carolina pulled his scholy/stopped recruiting him due to a shoulder injury....the cynic in me says theres another reason.

[irishunclebill]

Page was visited by Coaches Latina & Lewis earlier today at school. Coach Latina is scheduled to return next Wednesday for an in-home visit with Kenny & his mother. However, there is some indication that Page may make his announcement before then, as his final visit is to UNC this weekend followed by a Monday holiday on which he may make his choice.

[GoldenShower]

This should never impact people's opinions of a recruit, but did anyone notice that Page was downgraded to a 3-star on Scout (#26 OG) and #13 OG in Rivals.

Pretty different for a recruit with the offer list that he received to be thought of in this light. Look at the story of Zebrie Sanders. Guy's #1&2 choices of I believe (Florida and Georgia) turned him away because they told him they were filled up at these positions. There's no doubt that pulled scholarships causes this crazy trend where recruits feel obligated to commit ASAP to save a spot. It's even better that ND holds offers and is up-front and honest and commits to their players as much when they commit to them. Page should look at the now 3 OG recruits ranked ahead of him, the 6 OL visitors last weekend at Clemson and come to the conclusion that he's making a 40+ year commitment. I've always wanted to see him Irish.

[GoldenShower]

According to Scout's Clemson site, Page announced this afternoon that he plans to make his decision public later this week. I have to assume based on the information of where it's coming from and all of the information lately, that it's unfortunatly going to be Clemson - but I may be pleasantly surprised.

[NDisNCin2010]

According to Scout's Clemson site, Page announced this afternoon that he plans to make his decision public later this week. I have to assume based on the information of where it's coming from and all of the information lately, that it's unfortunatly going to be Clemson - but I may be pleasantly surprised.

isnt Latina going to see him this Wed?
maybe Page getting ducks in row from the ND Admin side...then announcing?.....
fingers crossed on this one...i'm optimistic.

[daytonirish]

I still think we have a chance to get him. I guess we'll find out who he chooses very soon.

[irishunclebill]

According to Scout's Clemson site, Page announced this afternoon that he plans to make his decision public later this week. I have to assume based on the information of where it's coming from and all of the information lately, that it's unfortunatly going to be Clemson - but I may be pleasantly surprised.

I'm not so sure that this is bad news, because as of late last week the same site was expecting him to announce today. If that had happened, I would have been shocked if he did not pick Clemson. However, this change in plans means that Page is going let Latina have one last shot with him on an in-home visit this Wednesday. That does not necessarily mean that Page is likely to change his mind, but it does give the Irish one last shot at him.

[NDisNCin2010]

any chance Charlie or Corwin accompany Latina on Wed?
what could be more important this time of year?.........

[futurendcoach]

D tackle

[marv81s]

any chance Charlie or Corwin accompany Latina on Wed?
what could be more important this time of year?.........

visiting Omar maybe? :D;):):p

[irishziggy]

i know Latina is visiting tommorrow, but what day is Page announcing? B&G says he set a date.

[SoCalDomer]

i think he said by friday this week

[marv81s]

Si, Friday is the day he is announcing his choice

Still going with Clemson

[GoldenShower]

Update from Spartanburg paper

Final Visits With Page Today
By Phil Kornblut

AC Flora OL Kenneth Page (6-3 290) will have his final face to face meeting with recruiters today before announcing his decision Friday morning at 9:00 AM. Recruiters from Notre Dame and North Carolina will visit with Page today at school and at his home according to Falcons coach Robin Bacon. Last night Page met with Clemson head coach Tommy Bowden and Tennessee head coach Phillip Fulmer at his home. "He said those visits went really well," Bacon said. "But he's still got that deer in the headlight look. The big thing is going to be the meetings this afternoon. And then he'll get away from it tomorrow." Page plans to shut things down Thursday so he can focus on making his decision. He will have a news conference at his school Friday morning. Up the moment coverage of his announcement can be found right here Friday morning.

[marv81s]

announcing at his school?

Its Clemson

[daytonirish]

It's Notre Dame

[IrishR#1]

Notre Dame

[BleedingB&G]

Well hopefully this recruiting model is out before Page makes his decision. http://ssbea.mercer.edu/lynch/CFRPM.htm

There was an article about it on SI.com today: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/andy_staples/01/23/recruiting.economics/index.html

[SoCalDomer]

Well hopefully this recruiting model is out before Page makes his decision. http://ssbea.mercer.edu/lynch/CFRPM.htm

There was an article about it on SI.com today: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/andy_staples/01/23/recruiting.economics/index.html

That's interesting, but it's also pretty easy for them to have 72% success rate since most recruits have already verballed by this point in time. While it's still possible a verbal commit could change their mind by NSD, it would probably already be well known if they were looking elsewhere. I would be more impressed if they had that success rate and the chart came out much earlier.

[irishunclebill]

ND did get the last visit in with Page which is always helpful. Coach Haywood and Coach Lewis joined Latina for the in-home visit which lasted for 90 minutes, followed by Page and the coaches going out for dinner. Announcement is all set for Friday morning after the family decides tomorrow.

[jdfromde]

as far as that model goes, i'm not statistics major or anything, but here's my question:

If 88 of the rivals 100 have already verbally committed this year.
And if I pick the schools they say they are going to attend,
As long as Florida and U$C don't have 16 total schollies available, aren't I going to do better than 72%?

While we're at it, how much weight is given to free housing for a recruit's parents or a scholarship for a recruit's girlfriend? ...just askin'

[bluedevilmcbx]

^ From what I understand of the article (and I definitely could be wrong), they're making projections through their formula regardless of the current verbal commitments. It seems like they could possibly manipulate the formula a bit so their results mesh with the verbals that have been given, but I don't think that's their intention.

[jdfromde]

^ From what I understand of the article (and I definitely could be wrong), they're making projections through their formula regardless of the current verbal commitments. It seems like they could possibly manipulate the formula a bit so their results mesh with the verbals that have been given, but I don't think that's their intention.

yeah, you're right, i'm just saying my way has less math...

[eric_navy]

They will probably use the results to tweak their formula, but only after publishing the initial outcome. That's how a regression is done successfully. You check it against the actual outcome many times and continue to tweak until you optimize your results. Their sample gets larger each year, so, theoretically, they should be able to improve the accuracy over time. In the end, though, it is difficult to predict the decision of a 17 year old kid, as they admit in the article.

[NDisNCin2010]

back to Page...

anyone think or hear of us giving Page opportunity to play on the D Line? he played DE in HS...with the Hand and Kuntz uncertainty, anyone think its a possibility? and more important does anyone think the prospect for him playing O or D at ND increase our chances w/ him?

[irishziggy]

back to Page...

anyone think or hear of us giving Page opportunity to play on the D Line? he played DE in HS...with the Hand and Kuntz uncertainty, anyone think its a possibility? and more important does anyone think the prospect for him playing O or D at ND increase our chances w/ him?


he's a big kid, but he didn't really impress me with his DL ability. he's def a better OL prospect.

[SoCalDomer]

IMO, he should play wherever he and the coaches decide is best. as long as it's at ND :D ;)

[irishziggy]

yea i wouldnt say im a d-1 talent evaluater but I've seen enough football and game film to tell you that what we need are guys that could play right away or in a year on the DL, and he'd be a project at best. Doesnt seem to be a real athletic DL. I think he's a much better OL.

[daytonirish]

Which is a place we also need people at. So Kenneth Page come to South Bend and enjoy your time at the University of Notre Dame.

[IrishKnight1023]

I think Page would be a project like Golic and Clelland are. Cave and Trev are more ready to go. Golic and Clelland need to get bigger and stronger while I think Page needs that and technique work. I think we're in a position with the last 2 OL hauls that we're not in DIRE NEED of every lineman we bring it to be an immediate impact...because if that was the case then we'd have alot of years giving up sacks like we did this year.

[Sweeney6083]

Breaking News

This Just in Kenneth Page will be commiting to the University of...............

[irishziggy]

Breaking News

This Just in Kenneth Page will be commiting to the University of...............

i guess that means clemson's out lol

only school of the 4 that's not the university of...

North Carolina
Notre Dame
Tennessee

it's Clemson University

[ab2cmiller]

Wow .... that is breaking news. LOL

[jdfromde]

this is what i don't get: Why would a recruit set up a press conference to announce his decision if he hasn't already decided yet? The visit by Latina feels more like a formality to me.

By the way I really hope i eat this tomorrow...

[irishunclebill]

this is what i don't get: Why would a recruit set up a press conference to announce his decision if he hasn't already decided yet? The visit by Latina feels more like a formality to me.

By the way I really hope i eat this tomorrow...

In this case I honestly believe that Page and his family are making their final decision today based on the final pitches given to them by the coaches of the 4 schools involved. ND had the most to gain by the in-home visit because their's was the last one, and ND was the only one of the three schools outside of Clemson that had any real chance of convincing Page to leave home. That is why they sent Haywood & Lewis as well as Latina for that visit because it was obvious to them that they still had a shot at Page, expecially if they could convince Mrs. Page that Kenny would be well taken care of in South Bend. We will find out tomorrow morning if they had any success in that venture.

[NDisNCin2010]

still wondering why Charlie and/or Corwin didnt make the trip to see Page and Co...im sure theres and explanation....and im afraid i know why.

[daytonirish]

As great of a job that has been done this yr as far as recruiting, I have to believe that more than Charlie and Corwin had something to do with it. All of the coaches at N.D. have had to have had a big part in this class. So just because Charlie and/or Corwin doesn't visit a recruit doesn't mean they have given up on a paticular player. I'm still holding out hope that he chooses N.D.

[NDisNCin2010]

awoke to today to IUB reporting 1)no KLM and 2) poss no MM visit...this is turning into a Black Friday of sorts...UGH...sure hope Page is Irish....will know soon enough...Let the "Page Watch" begin.
hopefully he is Irish by time i have my 3rd cup of joe this am at 9

[Jstehly5511]

I don't know, I kind of think this is and always has been Clemson. I think Page gave every school consideration and I admire that and the way he went about his whole recruitment. I just can't see him choosing Notre Dame over Clemson. I really hope i'm wrong, but I don't think so. I just hope distance was not the factor, it shouldn't stop you from pursuing a dream or the school of your choice.

Good luck Page, regardless of your decision, your a real class act.

[IrishR#1]

He'll be a stud no matter where he goes. Good luck Kenneth, and go Irish.

[The New Louis]

At least he was classy about it all. Where ever he ends up good luck to him.

[GoldenShower]

For those on-line, looks like his announcement is being broadcast from his school on-line
http://www.goupstate.com/article/20080124/PSPORTS02/744233952/1018/sports

[irishunclebill]

It's Clemson.

[NDisNCin2010]

aaaahh....

[IrishR#1]

Dagnabit. Recruiting is over for the most part. Now I'm bored. I'm going to Youtube. David Blaine Street Magic Part 3! w00t!

[stew654]

David Blaine should stick to the street magic and stop the retarded look its magic i can sit in a cage or stay in a fish bowl schtick

[daytonirish]

All the best to Kenneth, I was really hoping we got him.

[domehead]

David Blaine vrs. Chris Angel....yeah ...steel cage match...yeah

[Fishin'_Irish]

(Edit: I should read) Good kid, regardless. I'll be rooting for him

[Dayton_Domer]

Best of luck to you Kenneth! Clemson is a great school.

[irishunclebill]

LOI to Clemson.

[bayirish]

http://brahsome.com/2008/03/27/kenneth-page-appears-to-have-a-large-bag-of-bills-for-an-amateur-athlete/

Maybe there's more to recruiting than :wizard:

[rontdtarchala]

I keep hearing how most if not all of these institutions of higher learning are in fact just as good as ND...why then do these major football machines have to resort to so many underhanded ploys to get young men to go there...and really...when is the NCAA gonna get real about the slime balls that are currently getting away with all this crap!...instead of always tearing ND down why don't they just fess up and admit Notre Dame if nothing else runs a tight ship

[Synoptico]

In March 2008, photos of Clemson offensive line signee Kenneth Page surfaced showing Page holding large stacks of cash. Page enrolled at Clemson, but he was recently dismissed for a violation of team rules and landed at Coastal Carolina.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/andy_staples/12/17/orr-trail/index.html?eref=sihp

This is from an SI article about two UF recruits who has "questionable" pictures on their facebook or myspace pages.

[Synoptico]

Coastal lands Clemson transfer

Less than a month after he was dismissed by Clemson coach Dabo Swinney, offensive lineman Kenneth Page will transfer to Coastal Carolina, recruiting analyst Phil Kornblut reported Friday.

The 6-foot-5, 300-pound guard played just five snaps this season before Swinney kicked him off the team for a violation of team rules. The Columbia native has three seasons of eligibility remaining. He was a guard at Clemson but may have enough athleticism to play tackle for the Chants.

A consensus top-20 offensive guard in the Class of 2008 - No. 6 by ESPN, No. 9 by Rivals.com and No. 19 by Scout.com - Page never made an impact at Clemson, appearing in just two games this season. He picked the Tigers out of high school over offers from North Carolina, Notre Dame, Georgia Tech, South Carolina and Tennessee.

Page will provide depth at a need position for the Chants. He does not yet know who his position coach will be, with coach David Bennett announcing earlier this week that line coach Jamie Snider will be replaced.

It's the second straight offseason that Coastal has taken a transfer dismissed from an FBS school for a violation of team rules. Corner Tarvorris Jolly, who had a limited impact this past season, was kicked off the team at North Carolina before landing in Conway last January.


http://thesunnews.typepad.com/coastal_carolina/2009/12/coastal-lands-clemson-transfer.html

[NDgrandson]

Great update. It's always a good feeling when guys we agonized over missing out on go on to do nothing and even better when they turn out to be real turds. That's pretty mean of me, but I am just being honest.

Rep him. I have to spread it.

[therizz]

Just like C Donald and B Martin...

[NDisNCin2010]

Just like C Donald and B Martin...

ive seen martin in games for tenn...looks like hes doing good for them...starter i think...but how is ole C Donald doing?

[SpanishElite]

B. Martin is playing quite a bit for Tennessee and doing a solid job. C. Donald...isnt even seeing the field no on special teams. Complete bust.

[SouthernIrish]

While I too try not to enjoying others demise, I won't shed any tears for Mr. Page. Some lessons are best learned the hard way.

[irishunclebill]

Ah, talk of Clemson and bags of money brings back memories of Page whose profile I had never updated (until now) for his transfer to mighty Coastal Carolina (talk about a school with hot girls). In any case Kenny was on the CC roster for 2010 so I guess he is still in college and playing football despite his obvious wealth.

http://brahsome.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/kenpagedollars.jpg

[SpanishElite]

Always loved that picture. What I think is so funny about the pay for play situations that go on in college football is how $10-20k for boosters at a college is chump change to swing a recruit to a school. So Page took that $10-20k, and now MIGHT have a degree from Coastal Carolina instead of talking the $250k+ degree from Notre Dame. Doesnt seem like a sound investment to me.