'08 AZ ATH Gerrell Robinson (ASU LOI) [Archive]

irishunclebill

07-30-2007, 01:58 PM

Now Rivals has a tease that says he's scheduling official visits again. Anyone have any clue what's going on with this kid?

http://rivals100.rivals.com/barrier_noentry.asp?sid=&script=/content.asp&cid=695663&fid=&tid=&mid=&rid=

Nope, and neither does Gerell. In the same breath that he states that he is a solid commit to Arizona, he says that he is taking at least 4 Official Visits. Newsflash, Gerell, you can't have it both ways. I am sure Arizona does not look upon him as a solid commit. He also claims to have an offer from the Irish, which is not true. His getting an offer was contingent upon attending an ND camp in June, something he did not do either of his own volition, or because he was asked not to come. In any case ND is not really on his radar screen which would be a good thing except for the fact that Gerell is an incredibly gifted athlete.

RichardRiot

10-07-2007, 10:00 PM

Gerrell Robinson has reportedly decommitted from Az (again)!!!

Wonder if it was the convincing win agains UCLA which caused him to change his mind??? :confused:

Although I honestly don't think he is ND-bound

NDgrandson

10-07-2007, 10:04 PM

Gerrell Robinson has reportedly decommitted from Az (again)!!!

Wonder if it was the convincing win agains UCLA which caused him to change his mind??? :confused:

Hmmmm. We are on him for WR. Wonder if there is anything cooking?

RichardRiot

10-07-2007, 10:09 PM

Hmmmm. We are on him for WR. Wonder if there is anything cooking?

I know there had been previous interest, but neither Rivals nor Scout shows interest. However, who knows???? He seems to have tremendous athletic ability

irishunclebill

10-07-2007, 11:57 PM

Hmmmm. We are on him for WR. Wonder if there is anything cooking?

Robinson has finally decided that WR, not QB, is the best position for him in college, and that is why he has de-committed from Arizona. Maybe Chris Harper will take note of this.

Anyway, it looks as though Gerell is no longer even considering Arizona. However, despite what you may have heard or what might be listed on some recruiting sites, Notre Dame has never given Robinson an Official Written Scholarship Offer. He had a verbal offer that was contingent upon him attending a camp in June, which he never showed up for, thus the verbal offer was rescinded. Gerell seems to be somewhat of a flake and I think that is part of the reason why he does not have, and most likely will not receive an Irish offer.

NDgrandson

10-08-2007, 12:12 AM

Good work IUB.

NDisNCin2010

10-08-2007, 08:51 AM

wasnt 'Gerrell' Superman's father's name?

irishunclebill

10-08-2007, 08:56 AM

wasnt 'Gerrell' Superman's father's name?

Close, I think it was Jor-el.

irishunclebill

10-11-2007, 04:23 PM

Scout is now listing and reporting that Gerell has an ND Official Offer. However, we are not sure yet that this information is based solely on a comment by Gerell, who has said before that he had an ND offer when it was a contingent verbal offer only. Rivals & B&G do not yet list him as being offered.

If the offer is confirmed it could simply mean that the Irish staff are now fully confident that Gerell's not going to re-commit to Arizona, or it could mean that the increasing volume of rumors that Floyd is now leaning more to OSU than ND have some merit.

IrishCalves

10-11-2007, 11:10 PM

(Funny, now that I've stepped away from the title/responsibilities of a moderator...)

Rivals is also reporting an offer going Robinson's way. Its currently premium access material in 4HL, but thats 2 of the big 3.

irishunclebill

10-11-2007, 11:25 PM

Rivals has also now changed their offer database to list Gerrell as having an Irish offer. In addition he is talking about taking an Official Visit to South Bend next month. Gerell has now told at least two sources that he does indeed have an offer from ND, so unless the kid is completely off the wall, it is time to add him to the GH Official Offer List.

daytonirish

10-12-2007, 09:26 AM

If Floyd is indeed leaning towards TOSU thenI hope Robinsondoes come onan official visit and we put the full press on him. It would be nice to get another wr to go along with Goodman.

The New Louis

10-12-2007, 09:36 AM

When has it been established that Floyd is leaning towards OSU?

marv81s

10-12-2007, 09:47 AM

its one sport writers opinion from Floyd's area, Floyd hasn't said anything, take it for what its worth

daytonirish

10-12-2007, 10:10 AM

And we all know how much love a sportswiter from the area would have for N.D. We go there and take the top talent out of there every couple of years. I would think even though they are in the same conference as TOSU they would love to see the top player spurn N.D. Just my two cents worth.

irishunclebill

10-29-2007, 11:50 AM

Gerrell has scheduled 2 Officials, neither to ND. He will be at Oregon this weekend, and GT on Thanksgiving. Oregon is probably the flavor of the month for Gerrell, and I have a feeling that his going there on an Official is an indication that he has not completely given up on the notion of playing QB in college. Those 2 visits pretty much eliminate a game day Official to South Bend, unless he squeezes one in for the AFA. That seems very unlikely at this point as it should have been already scheduled. This one appears less and less likely to end up in the Irish corner.

grungejunky

10-29-2007, 12:52 PM

thanks for the info. gerrel seems like a nice kid but a bit fickle. what are your thoughts on Walker? any chance?

therizz

10-29-2007, 01:06 PM

Thanks IUB. G Robinson was the one "pie in the sky" recruit I wanted. It sure doesn't look good at the moment....

NDisNCin2010

10-29-2007, 04:31 PM

rivals has a new blurb up on Gerrell...interesting that he is coached by a former ND player...who also converted from QB to WR in college.

perhaps ND in this more than we all believe??

IrishCalves

10-29-2007, 06:29 PM

I wouldn't give up on this one yet. Just a feeling, probably because of his back and forth Arizona commit status earlier in the year, but this one should be funky 'til the very end.

KamaraPolice

10-30-2007, 01:46 AM

His coach is ex-notre dame player Steve Belles, if that counts for anything.

somehow, I feel this kid ends up at ASU.

irishunclebill

10-30-2007, 08:53 AM

rivals has a new blurb up on Gerrell...interesting that he is coached by a former ND player...who also converted from QB to WR in college.

perhaps ND in this more than we all believe??

I have not looked at the story, but I imagine it is probably by the II bunny reporting this as some new discovery. This is old news & Belles being his coach is the only reason why I give ND a shot at all here. However, there is no comparison between Belles and Robinson as far as athletic skills go. Belles ended up as primarily a special teams maven at ND, Robinson has the athletic ability to play and start at just about any non-line position for virtually any CFB team, including playing QB in a spread offense.

In the NFL though, Robinson looks to be a stud WR in the making, and I am sure that Belles is the guy who is advising him that his future would best be served by playing that position in college as well. The problem is that Robinson, like Chris Harper, are high school kids who have enjoyed playing QB in high school, and are fully aware that it is the QB's in college who are still the BMOC. It is difficult for them to think too far into the future when they see that prospect right in front of their face. Fortunately for Robinson, he has Belles to advise him and hopefully convince him when the time comes for a decision that he is much better off playing WR in college. If Belles can ultimately succeed in doing that, ND has a shot. Harper on the other hand now has Arthur Brown's guru as his personal advisor, and this guy is more interested in boosting his own reputation than worrying about Chris Harper's future. That is why Harper is set on playing QB in college, even though he has no long term possibility of playing that position.

Unfortunately, at the end of the day I don't see either one in the Blue & Gold in 2008.

irishunclebill

10-30-2007, 09:14 AM

His coach is ex-notre dame player Steve Belles, if that counts for anything.

somehow, I feel this kid ends up at ASU.

I would be surprised if it is ASU. Belles obviously has some influence here, and a I can't see a solid citizen like Belles allow his most talented player to date end up with a scumbag like Erickson without putting up a substantial wall to prevent it from happening. From the beginning when Robinson committed to Arizona, ASU was not really in the mix. Their name is being mentioned now because of their success thus far this season. However, in a year of overated teams generated by this sudden parity in CFB, ASU may be the most overrated. They are 8-0, but have beaten absolutely no one except another overrated team, Cal. We will see how good ASU is in the next 3 weeks when they play at Oregon, at the UCLA chameleons, and have USC at home. I do not see an 11-0 in ASU's future. I think Oregon is the team to beat here for ND, and if Oregon beats ASU this weekend during Robinson's Official Visit there, Oregon would have to be considered the big favorite.

irishunclebill

10-30-2007, 09:17 AM

Coyote King

10-30-2007, 01:11 PM

Good news on Robinson for ND if it is confirmed. Rivals now lists him as making an Official Visit to ND for the AFA game. I might have to root for ASU against the Ducks this weekend. Nah, forget that.

Awesome news IUB. From everything I hear he sounds like a potential playmaker. I think ND has started getting a few (AA, Tate) but still has a major need for more if we want to compete at an elite level the next few years. The more weapons the better. It does sound like with all the "possibles" floating around we could have some guys miss out. Does the pressure to commit start up again? could that be what prompted Floyd to move? There are possibles of Trev, Gerrell, Datone Jones, Page, Ryan Williams, Baldwin, Gray. It sounds like there are 3 potential 5th years returning, so space is getting tight. It sounds like 3 or 4 of those 7 is realistic, which I think is exactly the spots IUB said we have (and that leaves no room for "suprises")

irishunclebill

10-30-2007, 01:22 PM

Awesome news IUB. From everything I hear he sounds like a potential playmaker. I think ND has started getting a few (AA, Tate) but still has a major need for more if we want to compete at an elite level the next few years. The more weapons the better. It does sound like with all the "possibles" floating around we could have some guys miss out. Does the pressure to commit start up again? could that be what prompted Floyd to move? There are possibles of Trev, Gerrell, Datone Jones, Page, Ryan Williams, Baldwin, Gray. It sounds like there are 3 potential 5th years returning, so space is getting tight. It sounds like 3 or 4 of those 7 is probably best case, but do we have 4 spots? and that leaves no room for "suprises"

At the present time there are 7 schollies available for the 2008 class to be used by a combination of returning 5th years and new verbal commits.

Coyote King

10-30-2007, 01:26 PM

At the present time there are 7 schollies available for the 2008 class to be used by a combination of returning 5th years and new verbal commits.

That is what I thought I read. So 3 5th years is what I am hearing, which leaves 4 more spots, with 7 possibles (again, including no "suprises"). I still think the possibles could see the bus in almost full and if they don't hop on you might miss it.

Coyote King

10-30-2007, 01:27 PM

Sorry, saw I was one post away from 100, so.....

CULion17

10-31-2007, 10:01 PM

Any chance that he could be the QB willing to play another position that CW wanted to get next year? I wouldn't put it past the staff to say we want you first as a WR, but would also like you to get some practice reps at QB here and there, maybe have a spread/goaline package put in for him. I think he and staff should like the 2 position depth and flexibility that would give the offense. Not to mention your Rande-El type gadgets!

daytonirish

11-01-2007, 07:45 AM

Right now I say lets forget about gadget plays and get the basic off. clicking first. We had alot of trouble trying to change the off. this season. Lets get to that tough hard nosed football team Charlie promised when he first rrived in South Bend.

CULion17

11-01-2007, 10:00 AM

I'm definitely not advocating a change in offense, I'm just trying to say that adding this kid adds another dimension to the offense. Nasty starts with the oline. When they get the offense where it needs to be and we are winning games it wouldn't hurt to have a multi threat on the field.

IrishCalves

11-01-2007, 10:08 AM

Ted Ginn Jr. had his spread option QB package. Percy Harvin has lined up all over the place for the Florida Gators. Darren McFadden has four career TD passes. And lets not forget the package the Chargers have for LT. There will always be a place for multi-faceted players in football, including college.

Agreed, in that you have to get the basics right first. But it certainly wouldn't hurt to have a guy like that on your roster.

daytonirish

11-01-2007, 10:23 AM

I don't have a problem with a multi-talented player who can bring an interesting way to use a player. I just want the team to get the basics down first and then expand the play book.

ALLND62

11-01-2007, 11:48 AM

Sorry, saw I was one post away from 100, so.....

Congrats Coyote King

pani_nasz

11-02-2007, 10:02 AM

I don't have a problem with a multi-talented player who can bring an interesting way to use a player. I just want the team to get the basics down first and then expand the play book.

Or get the basic first down. :)

The New Louis

11-02-2007, 10:37 AM

more then just running draws and swing passes

mlcspinner

11-02-2007, 11:00 AM

Or get the basic first down. :)

truer words have never been spoken :D

GoldenShower

11-06-2007, 11:03 AM

From the free week in review on Scout.

“I talk to coach Oliver and coach Ianello more than anyone else,” Robinson responded when asked about his contact with the Notre Dame coaching staff. “I’m coming up to the Duke game. As far as I know, that’s the only game we’ve been talking about. I haven’t received my itinerary yet, but I should be set for that game. I’m not sure if coach [Steve] Belles (Hamilton head football coach) is going to come with me. I know he’d love to go if he could. My mom might come to Indiana with me. If she doesn’t come with me, I’d definitely want coach Belles to come out with me. The only other visit I have locked down is Oregon and that is this weekend. My dad is going up to Oregon with me.”

Robinson wants to keep an open mind on his official visits. Rather than look for specifics, he wants to take in the entire atmosphere.

“I’m just going to take it all in and see if I’d fit into the system, the program and the school,” explained Robinson. “It’s really about my comfort level. All programs have a lot to offer. Exposure-wise Notre Dame is on TV every week, so that’s a plus, but it’s really about my comfort level.

Notre Dame’s depth at wide receiver, specifically those recruits in the class of 2008 already committed, as well as those still considering the Irish, won’t affect Robinson’s decision.

“I heard about Mike Floyd committing,” said Robinson. “I know they have Deion Walker coming out for a visit. I have no problem competing with the best of them. I know what I can do and I know where I stand. If they can play on the field, I’m ready to battle.”

Robinson doesn’t want to drag out the process of recruitment, but his own football season takes first priority. Once the season is over though, he plans to take as much time as he needs in order to be certain of making the right decision.

“We have one regular season game left and then we start the playoffs,” said Robinson. “We play Taylor (7-2) our cross-town rival. This is the biggest regular season game of the year. Our offense has been really productive. The last couple of games I’ve been back at quarterback because our other quarterback was out, but he’ll be back this weekend.”

Robinson finished his last game with 130 yards passing, fifty-seven yards rushing on only four carries and three touchdowns in a 44-8 win. Making those

Akron Irish

11-06-2007, 12:36 PM

:D Man, I can't take you seriously with that username. thats classic

irishunclebill

11-07-2007, 09:03 AM

Robinson was at Oregon for an Official Visit last weekend, and his visit to ND has been confirmed, but not for the AFA game. Instead, he will be in town for the Duke game the weekend of 11/16, and then travel to GT for an Official Visit on Thanksgiving Day. He is now talking as though the GT visit will be his last visit, and is indicating that he may make an announcement after the GT game. If this is on the money, it would seem to indicate that Gerell will choose between Oregon, ND, & GT.

NDisNCin2010

11-07-2007, 09:51 AM

dankus

11-07-2007, 11:51 AM

Oregon seems to be "the hot team" out West now, dont they? i guess its more of a good than bad thing for us, as perhpas could "dilute" USC recruiting efforts out there.
i happen to like their Rollerball uniforms...

While their endless array of uniforms often leaves something to be desired, their facilities are incredible from what I've seen.

Sureal

11-15-2007, 09:23 AM

Where do we stand with this guy since Harper visited Oregon? Is Oregon still high on his list?

irishunclebill

11-15-2007, 12:03 PM

At least one pretty respected message board poster is saying that if Gerell Robinson makes it to South Bend this weekend for his Official Visit that he expects Gerell to commit to the Irish. The caveat from him is that a lot of behind the scenes activity could still possibly change Gerell's visit plans.

IrishChieftain777

11-15-2007, 12:23 PM

Does the "behind the scenes activity" refers to the possible silent commitment (Baldwin?!?)?

Thanks, IUB.

paisan78

11-15-2007, 12:28 PM

Does the "behind the scenes activity" refers to the possible silent commitment (Baldwin?!?)?

Thanks, IUB.

Doesn't seem to me like Baldwin, Harper or Walker committing bothers him, but I could be wrong.

Notre Dame’s depth at wide receiver, specifically those recruits in the class of 2008 already committed, as well as those still considering the Irish, won’t affect Robinson’s decision.

“I heard about Mike Floyd committing,” said Robinson. “I know they have Deion Walker coming out for a visit. I have no problem competing with the best of them. I know what I can do and I know where I stand. If they can play on the field, I’m ready to battle.”

daytonirish

11-15-2007, 12:56 PM

It might not bother him, but if Charlie has stated he is only taking 3 wr and Baldwin has commited then it would definetly affect him.

goirish41

11-15-2007, 01:11 PM

It might not bother him, but if Charlie has stated he is only taking 3 wr and Baldwin has commited then it would definetly affect him.

I doubt Weis would let Gerell come if he is unwilling to accept a verbal commitment because Baldwin is already on board. Doesn't seem like CW's style.

benneboy

11-15-2007, 11:07 PM

there have been rumblings on other boards of GR possibly being out next commit sometime soon. I haven't heard anything concrete, but this would be great news on more than one front. First, I think he is the most ready to play out of Walker, Robinson, and Baldwin as I think the other two are more untapped potential. The better news is that I believe I heard that Dayne Crist was really high on Robinson and felt that he was the best WR he had thrown to. He may have meant this just for a specific passing camp, i don't really remember but high praise none the less. We'll have to see how it plays out.

NDgrandson

11-15-2007, 11:30 PM

Last season Gerrell played free safety too. Word is GR may be a WR / ATH to the point where we take him on top of Walker or Baldwin. I say bring GR and get Baldwin or Walker on top. Injuries, redshirts, position changes, ineligibily, who knows what could happen. As long as bringing two more in does not go against what CW told Goodman and Floyd, do it.

NDGirlzRock

11-16-2007, 07:28 AM

I totally agree Grandson.....bring them in, but be true to your word, if you have told the other two guys that you are only bringing in 3 WRs then only bring in 3. My point is this, if GR actually shows up, I would think all of this silent business in unfounded, because I think that CW would not let a recruit come if he didn't have the slot for him or he was interested in another WR more.

goirish41

11-16-2007, 07:30 AM

irishunclebill

11-16-2007, 10:48 AM

Is there even a solid source that verifies that CW said he is only bringing in 3 WRs? The only place I've read about that is in posts on message boards. I'm not sure where this came from. Can anyone enlighten me?

The original source of the 3 WR info is a ND recruiting site mod. As we all know they are not always correct either, so the answer is that the info is more than just message board banter, but who really knows (besides the ND coaching staff) how solid it is.

goirish41

11-16-2007, 10:51 AM

thanks IUB.

IrishKnight1023

11-17-2007, 05:32 PM

Coyote King

11-17-2007, 05:44 PM

I think I saw Gerrell standing by the tunnel when all the players came out for the game and he was smiling and then Weis came out and shook his hand on the way out. Probably the best eviornment all year for him to be at, he looked pretty happy.

I saw Weis shake hands with someone that I thought could be him. He was grinning ear to ear, right down in the tunnel as they were all coming out. Looked like someone wanting to be part of it all.

NDgrandson

11-17-2007, 05:46 PM

I think I saw Gerrell standing by the tunnel when all the players came out for the game and he was smiling and then Weis came out and shook his hand on the way out. Probably the best eviornment all year for him to be at, he looked pretty happy.

I saw that too and thought that might be him. Brockington sure was sharing a moment with him. I am still unsure who it was but played it back a couple times thinking it could be him. Why would Brockington be so chummy with him though?

700th post

Irish

11-17-2007, 05:53 PM

The person you are referring to was former ND receiver Rhema McKnight.

NDgrandson

11-17-2007, 06:20 PM

The person you are referring to was former ND receiver Rhema McKnight.

Good call. Reps. :)

Spiderman

11-17-2007, 07:01 PM

So was ronbinson actually take his visit?

NDgrandson

11-17-2007, 07:02 PM

So was ronbinson actually take his visit?

Who learned you how to spoke? JK Spidey. I not know. I am sure as soon as anyone finds out, it will be posted here.

NDgrandson

11-17-2007, 07:23 PM

So was ronbinson actually take his visit?

Goshen was there and said he saw him there after the game in the tunnel. I don't know if that is good news or not. I hope we get Baldwin, but we need just 1 of the 3.

NDisNCin2010

11-18-2007, 09:17 AM

not sure if this was posted..from espn, Nov 17:

Gerell Robinson hauls in season-saving touchdown
ESPN 150 athlete Gerell Robinson and Hamilton struggled during the majority of Friday's playoff game, however their star stepped up with only 1:10 remaining in the game to break a 14 all tie with a 50 yard touchdown reception. Hamilton prevailed 21-14 as Gerell played the hero, the Arizona Republic reports.

Spiderman

11-18-2007, 01:04 PM

On II on the premium message board at the top there it states Rumblings from Robinson with 5 stars so if anybody who has a subsciption could you give us a summary of what they are talking about us

Jstehly5511

11-18-2007, 02:02 PM

I was hoping that was Gerrell too. Funny how we are were thinking that.

goirish41

11-18-2007, 04:13 PM

I was hoping that was Gerrell too. Funny how we are were thinking that.

I don't have access, but this was a post on DD.

"Yeah basically saying he is on his way home. He said neither Oregon nor ND has the advantage right now. Said he might not make anymore visits (which is good as he had Georgia Tech scheduled next weekend). He said he now has to discuss things with his parents."

Jstehly5511

11-18-2007, 06:12 PM

The post on Rivals just stated that he had a great time, Weis wanted him to play for him. Gerrell said that he would not make the decision on his own.

It seemed to me that Oregon and ND are his top 2, not in that order, and he may even make another trip to both schools.

JMR8

11-18-2007, 09:36 PM

I like him and i think he could be a pretty good WR, but this imo this is my order

Walker
Baldwin
Robinson

i can't complain if we get him though. he will probably be pretty good and rather him then no one.

Ricochet

11-18-2007, 10:51 PM

On II on the premium message board at the top there it states Rumblings from Robinson with 5 stars so if anybody who has a subsciption could you give us a summary of what they are talking about usI haven't seen it but from what I've heard and read elsewhere is that he's more or less down to ND and Oregon.

Fishin'_Irish

11-18-2007, 11:06 PM

Who learned you how to spoke? JK Spidey. I not know. I am sure as soon as anyone finds out, it will be posted here.

lol

GoldenShower

11-20-2007, 08:44 AM

Can I ask if anyone listened to yesterday's (11/19) Armchair quarterback on B&G's radio? G. Robinson was on on the show and a caption on-line does say "Robinson loves his visit".

mikejND

11-20-2007, 10:18 AM

Golden I was listening for the early half of it, and at the time they couldn't get Gerell, there was believed to be some sort of miscommunication. I don't know if he was on the latter half, but I doubt it.

marv81s

11-20-2007, 10:26 AM

sum it up, loved his visit, will make decision in December and will announce it publically at the Army All American Game

ND is in a very good standing for him and looking at him as a WR

stonebreakerwasgod

11-20-2007, 10:39 AM

That's pretty much all I've heard Marv, except that two posters I know are pantless today. That stuff must be contagious. Don't they know there is good naked, and bad naked?

NDisNCin2010

11-20-2007, 12:11 PM

sum it up, loved his visit, will make decision in December and will announce it publically at the Army All American Game

ND is in a very good standing for him and looking at him as a WR

timing of decison/announcement seems eerily similar to D Walker's....hmm.

rice88

11-20-2007, 04:26 PM

lets hope we can land grob!

irishdan123084

11-21-2007, 01:12 AM

wow insightful first post Rice. keep 'em coming.

Fishin'_Irish

11-21-2007, 01:21 AM

wow insightful first post Rice. keep 'em coming.

I liked it.

irishunclebill

11-27-2007, 10:19 AM

It turns out that GRob's visit for the Duke game was an unofficial as he came alone. He will also be receiving two in-home visits from the ND coaching staff in the next week. CW & Jappy will visit him on Thursday and Ianello will visit next Tuesday. One rumor is that the visits are primarily for GRob's parents to have some questions answered. Since he can still take an Official Visit to South Bend, there may also be some cajoling to get him and his parents up for the Football Banquet.

Georgia Tech is also pretty much history here with Gailey being fired. It appears that Oregon is ND's only real competition here if GRob has not already committed to CW and is just waiting for his parents to get some questions answered.

NDisNCin2010

11-29-2007, 04:53 PM

irishunclebill

11-29-2007, 05:24 PM

IUB...Harper is visiting Oregon this weekend...what if he (Harper) commits to Oregon?...can that help our chances of landing G Rob insofar as Oregon is looking at these guys for that Hybrid QB/who can run, no?

It certainly would not hurt if Harper were to commit to Oregon this weekend, but that is not going to happen, as he and Arthur Brown are planning a joint announcement in Wichita on 12/17.

I think what is more telling is that Harper did not even get his Oregon offer until after GRob had visited up there. There were murmurs that GRob did not really enjoy his Duck trip, and Harper getting an offer shortly after that trip seemed like a confirmation of that.

I don't want to sound too optimistic here because that can always come back to bite you, but I'm not sure that ND really has any competition left for GRob except for themselves. CW is visiting him today, so we should get a better feel for what is going on this weekend.

jfschellcrna

11-29-2007, 05:29 PM

sweet.............

irishunclebill

11-29-2007, 05:46 PM

IUB...Harper is visiting Oregon this weekend...what if he (Harper) commits to Oregon?...can that help our chances of landing G Rob insofar as Oregon is looking at these guys for that Hybrid QB/who can run, no?

One other point I should make about Harper is that there are a lot of rumblings that Corwin Brown is still going hard after Harper, and that despite what we heard after one of his visits to South Bend that Harper really does like Notre Dame, and is not just using the Irish for show. However, the problem that remains as throughout Harper's recruitment is that he is still adamant about playing QB in college, which he knows will not happen at ND. The fact that CB is still working on him shows just how hard they are working on this class. If CB is somehow able to convince Harper to come to ND as an Athlete, his already growing reputation as a great recruiter would go straight through the roof.

mwinely

11-30-2007, 09:53 PM

Darron Thomas - 4 star QB who was LSU commit now has decommitted and according to Hodge report (CSTV) is favoring Oregon. This may also play into our favor with G. Robinson.

SoCalDomer

11-30-2007, 09:59 PM

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Akron Irish

11-30-2007, 10:49 PM

Darron Thomas - 4 star QB who was LSU commit now has decommitted and according to Hodge report (CSTV) is favoring Oregon. This may also play into our favor with G. Robinson.

I would think it would be more of an impact on Harper than GRob

irishunclebill

12-11-2007, 09:43 AM

ND coaches Haywood & Oliver visited Gerrell yesterday to follow up on CW's visit of two weeks ago. The ND staff is also in constant contact with GRob and his family. His official final four list is ND, Oregon, Tennessee, and ASU. He has visited Oregon and ND, and I am sure he has been to ASU a few times. He has not been to Tennessee so I'm not sure where that is coming from. He is still planning on announcing his decision at the AAA game.

NDisNCin2010

12-11-2007, 09:49 AM

Darron Thomas - 4 star QB who was LSU commit now has decommitted and according to Hodge report (CSTV) is favoring Oregon. This may also play into our favor with G. Robinson.

this is interesting as another LSU QB commit DC Jefferson from Florida has also decommitted from LSU and the folks out here in Jersey say he is going to go to Rutgers.
will LSU take/have any QB's this year?

irishunclebill

12-11-2007, 10:09 AM

I'm not sure that if there is any competition here that it is Oregon anymore. ASU concerns me a little because you always have to be wary of a HSU, and Erickson is as slimy as a HC can possibly be. However, GRob has already turned his back on the other Arizona HSU so that is a good sign there as well. The major competition for ND here may end up being if GRob is concerned if another WR comes on board before he is ready to make his final decision.

Specnatz

12-11-2007, 10:16 AM

Pete

12-11-2007, 10:18 AM

What is Arizona HSU?

HSU= Home State University

irishziggy

12-11-2007, 11:10 AM

IrishKnight1023

12-11-2007, 11:48 AM

yeah he decommitted from Rutgers to go to LSU and now he's gonna switch back? Those players are my favorites

NDGirlzRock

12-11-2007, 11:50 AM

Sounds like one of the Littles last year.....

ALLND62

12-11-2007, 01:21 PM

didnt he decommit from rutgers first and then commit to LSU?

that's pretty weird. make up your mind brotha or wait til NSD.

Maybe he heard a rumor that the coach for Rutgers was leaving so he decided to leave and then he heard he was staying so he decided to go back. Also maybe he is hearing more rumbling that Les may leave for Michigan.........who knows:confused:

Akron Irish

12-11-2007, 01:41 PM

yeah he decommitted from Rutgers to go to LSU and now he's gonna switch back? Those players are my favorites

He'll go to the University of LSU in the end. Chill with Barksdale

NDisNCin2010

12-11-2007, 01:55 PM

yeah he decommitted from Rutgers to go to LSU and now he's gonna switch back? Those players are my favorites

yes, that is what has happened...Im not sure why, as havent followed his or RU/LSU recruiting that much, i just happen to work with bunch of RU grads here in NYC, and live in NJ and they never reisist a chance to tell me how much "RU is on their way to the top" and "they are gonna kick ND's ass, youll see" "schiano is building a juggernaut"....etc etc etc.

irishziggy

12-11-2007, 01:58 PM

yes, that is what has happened...Im not sure why, as havent followed his or RU/LSU recruiting that much, i just happen to work with bunch of RU grads here in NYC, and live in NJ and they never reisist a chance to tell me how much "RU is on their way to the top" and "they are gonna kick ND's ass, youll see" "schiano is building a juggernaut"....etc etc etc.

yea i go to rutgers and have a lot of frat bros that are up in new brunswick. nd and rutgers are my 2 faves. didnt start liking rutgers til schiano came though. he spoke at a banquet, and he's a great speaker. temple's my other fav, b/c they're local. al golden's a great coach too and they're young. they should compete in the MAC from now on.

IrishKnight1023

12-11-2007, 02:55 PM

Rutgers took like 9 steps back this year.....it was a truely disgusting year from one of the nations softest schedules. Schiano needs to fix that defense and make it the way it was in 06.

NDisNCin2010

12-11-2007, 03:29 PM

sense this thread is turning Scarlet and Black....lets get back to Gerrell Robinson.

goirish41

12-11-2007, 03:51 PM

I see him staying at WR. Crist said he was the best WR at one of the combine/camps he attended. And, watching his film, on offense and defense, I think he has great athletic ability that could turn into some big plays for ND in years to come. I think his film is far better than that of GWalk. Not saying he is a better WR, but his film is more impressive IMO.

NDisNCin2010

12-12-2007, 08:53 AM

this is interesting as another LSU QB commit DC Jefferson from Florida has also decommitted from LSU and the folks out here in Jersey say he is going to go to Rutgers.
will LSU take/have any QB's this year?

DC Jefferson ESPN Recruiting Room Archive (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/recruiting/briefingroom?playerId=45965)

OK, for the GH "link police" this is from ESPN today...BTW, i would venture to guess DC's HS coach illustrates the mentality of a majority of HS FB caoches down in SEC Country...this is the shit CW and CB have to deal with, im sure they get no help from coaches down there...which makes it even more impressive and satisifying wen we get the kids from down there to come to ND.

Harsh words from high school coach on D.C. Jefferson's reversal
Winter Haven coach Charles Tate told the Times-Picayune, "My impression is that in his mind, for whatever reason, he was scratched by LSU. I know [LSU assistant] coach [Earl] Lane is going to talk to him again. [His reasons] didn't make sense to me, and I don't want to elaborate on what they are. I don't get it. His reasons don't hold water in a man's world. Maybe they do in a boy's world. I hope its just something he's going through. It sounds like he doesn't want a lot of competition and that he's nervous about the competition at LSU."
Tate continued, "If D.C. wants to make a trip to make sure he's OK about his decision, that's one thing. I know he got a little nervous over the rumors of coach [Les] Miles going to Michigan. But I don't understand the decommit and recommit and all of that. [LSU and Rutgers] are apples and oranges. They don't compare. Rutgers had one good year. LSU is playing for a national championship."

daytonirish

12-12-2007, 09:16 AM

I thought it was a H.S. coaches job to help these young men to develop both physically and mentally and hopefully prepare them for college. I didn't realize that their job was to throw a young man under the bus just because he won't be getting a check from an LSU booster. Hopefully the H.S. board of education will explain all of this to the coach as they are closing the door behind him after he's fired.

irishunclebill

12-12-2007, 09:29 AM

OK, for the GH "link police" this is from ESPN today...BTW, i would venture to guess DC's HS coach illustrates the mentality of a majority of HS FB caoches down in SEC Country...this is the shit CW and CB have to deal with, im sure they get no help from coaches down there...which makes it even more impressive and satisifying wen we get the kids from down there to come to ND.

Harsh words from high school coach on D.C. Jefferson's reversal
Winter Haven coach Charles Tate told the Times-Picayune, "My impression is that in his mind, for whatever reason, he was scratched by LSU. I know [LSU assistant] coach [Earl] Lane is going to talk to him again. [His reasons] didn't make sense to me, and I don't want to elaborate on what they are. I don't get it. His reasons don't hold water in a man's world. Maybe they do in a boy's world. I hope its just something he's going through. It sounds like he doesn't want a lot of competition and that he's nervous about the competition at LSU."
Tate continued, "If D.C. wants to make a trip to make sure he's OK about his decision, that's one thing. I know he got a little nervous over the rumors of coach [Les] Miles going to Michigan. But I don't understand the decommit and recommit and all of that. [LSU and Rutgers] are apples and oranges. They don't compare. Rutgers had one good year. LSU is playing for a national championship."

Just so you know, I get the sarcasm and I don't appreciate it. You can post anything here without a link and without a source, but if you think it will go unchallenged, think again.

Also, FYI, oh, wait a minute, let me put my cop hat on first. :rolleyes:

What you just posted here is illegal as you are listing copyrighted information from another source without providing a direct link to the article that was referenced. If you can not provide that link, I will have to delete your post.

I suggest if you have a problem with the "GH Police" in the future, that you discuss said problem via a PM. As I said I do not appreciate being called out in a public thread, and I don't particularly like returning the favor via the same method.

daytonirish

12-12-2007, 10:06 AM

IUB, not trying to be an ass here. But if you do need to delete his post please delete my response because it will make no sense out their on its own. Thanks.

Specnatz

12-12-2007, 10:39 AM

I am not one of the regular posters and have this huge repore with everyone like some do, but it seems pretty simple.

1) If it is just a rumor and your hearing this and do not have a link then state so.

2) If it is from an article you read and are quoting then provide a link.

It is very liberal here at GH, on the Texans board where I post it is a lot harsher. Link or don't start shit. Hell the just for men thread would not be allowed nor would a lot of the language. So the GH police here are very relaxed in the rules that we have to follow.

The mods have a hard enough time cleaning up pissing contest without having to deal with being called out and tried to make look like A-Holes. Now I do not know the mods personaly so they may very well be A-holes but at least they do not act like it. http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o195/Specnatz/sign-sarcasm.gif

irishunclebill

12-12-2007, 10:47 AM

IUB, not trying to be an ass here. But if you do need to delete his post please delete my response because it will make no sense out their on its own. Thanks.

I'm not going to delete the post, I just added the missing link.

doogerfuji

12-12-2007, 10:52 AM

What does any of this have to do with GRob?

NDisNCin2010

12-12-2007, 11:05 AM

Just so you know, I get the sarcasm and I don't appreciate it. You can post anything here without a link and without a source, but if you think it will go unchallenged, think again.

Also, FYI, oh, wait a minute, let me put my cop hat on first. :rolleyes:

What you just posted here is illegal as you are listing copyrighted information from another source without providing a direct link to the article that was referenced. If you can not provide that link, I will have to delete your post.

I suggest if you have a problem with the "GH Police" in the future, that you discuss said problem via a PM. As I said I do not appreciate being called out in a public thread, and I don't particularly like returning the favor via the same method.

understood IUB...not really trying to be 'sarcastic', or a prick on this; just trying to be funny, and certainly not trying to be funny at anyones expense, let alone yours, who i just hapened to vote for as my favprite poster here at GH.
i happen to appeciate the way you and the rest of the mods handle all the partciulars and rules of the site to keep it from turning into some of those other ones.
so in a "public manner" i apologize if you feel i "called you out" (your words)...that was not the intent.
and, i didnt realize that even if i referenced the source, (i.e. espn) without the link back to espn, it is illegal.

irishunclebill

12-12-2007, 11:13 AM

understood IUB...not really trying to be 'sarcastic', or a prick on this; just trying to be funny, and certainly not trying to be funny at anyones expense, let alone yours, who i just hapened to vote for as my favprite poster here at GH.
i happen to appeciate the way you and the rest of the mods handle all the partciulars and rules of the site to keep it from turning into some of those other ones.
so in a "public manner" i apologize if you feel i "called you out" (your words)...that was not the intent.
and, i didnt realize that even if i referenced the source, (i.e. espn) without the link back to espn, it is illegal.

It's all good, I know you are coming from the right place at all times.

Akron Irish

12-12-2007, 11:15 AM

It's all good, I know you are coming from the right place at all times.

Sounds like its time for a v-hug

irishziggy

12-12-2007, 11:19 AM

what's the latest on G-Rob? I heard the announcement will be coming around the AA game.

irishunclebill

12-12-2007, 11:21 AM

Sounds like its time for a v-hug

AAAHHHHH!:)

Back to GRob now. He is now saying that he will make his announcement around the time of the AAA game, but not neccesarily at the game itself. This may not seem like much, but at least one of the ND recruiting site gurus is of the opinion that GRob's or Walker's decision may have an impact on what the other does. Since they were both tentatively planned to announce at their respective All-American games which happened to be taking place within two hours of each other on the same day, it did not seem that this would be even logistically possible enough to have an impact. If there is any merit to the guru's opinion, then GRob announcing a day or two before the game could then affect Deion's decision.

daytonirish

12-12-2007, 11:26 AM

IUB I thought you were the only recruiting guru ? Are you trying to say that their are others out there ? That could really mess with a delusional posters mind. :D

NDisNCin2010

12-12-2007, 11:29 AM

more and more i think about it, i think we get GRob, and miss out on DWalker.
think in the end we started too late w/ Walker...had we offered him earlier i think he would have been Irish..opinion only here.
GRob head coach is a ND grad...essentially he is looking at a logjam of uncertainty at Oregon as to who is the heir apparent to Dixon...might be slew of guys who are looking at the oppotunity for the multifacted QB system Bellotti has out there...

Spiderman

12-12-2007, 06:02 PM

How would that effect D Walker from picking us in a good way or bad

irishunclebill

12-12-2007, 06:29 PM

How would that effect D Walker from picking us in a good way or bad

The inference is that it might prevent Deion from committing to ND if GRob commits first. However, we do not know the mind set of these 2 guys, and neither do the guys who run the ND recruiting sites. The only thing we know for sure is that CW would take both of them if they both wanted to commit to ND. Deion may be concerned that if GRob commits first, and he is being recruited as a WR, that the combination of Floyd, Goodman, and GRob may prevent him from achieving his stated goal of playing relatively early in college. GRob could feel the same way if Deion were to commit first, but since GRob is more of a versatile athlete the thought process is that it may not affect his decision as much. This is all theoretical because no one other than GRob, Deion, and their coaches and famillies really know how they feel about this situation. Looking at it from the outside as an ND fan, it would appear that it would be better for us if Deion is really planning on picking the Irish that he were also the first to announce his decision. However, at this point it appears that GRob is likely to be the first to announce.

Listen, it would be absolutely tremendous if ND were to land both of these guys, but it may just play out to the point where they do end up with only one. In my mind either one would be a great addition to this already great class, so as long as the Irish are successful in getting at least one, I would be thrilled. Hopefully it will still work out so that I am doubly thrilled.

goirish41

12-12-2007, 09:41 PM

I'm with you IUB on either one. But, it is a bit disturbing to me that either one of them would think they aren't good enough to rise above the competition. If that is the case, and this is just me, I hope that GRob commits first. I think he is the better prospect.

IrishKnight1023

12-15-2007, 02:15 AM

When I look what's left for our targets Gerrell appears the most likely to me. I just have a hard time beleiving he's going to pick A$U over us. Oregon seems to be our real competition, but I also don't feel like are a match at this point. Gerrell sees the who's who of our recruiting success this year and I could seriously see him being a Taylor Mays type saftey if he doesn't play WR. I see him, Deion (Never thought I'd ever be thinking he'd even be considering us) and wierdly enough KLM as our only serious targets left. I don't see Page leaving the Souf and I see Harper going to Illinois with Zooky and Datone "Straight outta Compton" Jones stayin with UCLA. Cyrus Gray faded on us because of our depth at RB and I don't think anyone wants to be recruited as a return man.

RichardRiot

12-15-2007, 08:36 AM

Cyrus Gray faded on us because of our depth at RB and I don't think anyone wants to be recruited as a return man.

"Hey, what's wrong with getting drafted as a return man????"

------Ted Ginn JR

daytonirish

12-15-2007, 09:39 AM

Nothing wrong with it,except it seems to come at the exspense of a N.D. QB. in the opinion of many.

irishdan123084

12-15-2007, 11:07 AM

"Ted Ginn and his family has done a lot for our team"

-Coach Cam Cameron

daytonirish

12-15-2007, 11:46 AM

Yep, they helped cost him his job!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sorry NDGirlz hope I didn't use to many. :)

ALLND62

12-15-2007, 01:06 PM

"Hey, what's wrong with getting drafted as a return man????"

------Ted Ginn JR

Good one Ted Jr.:D

marv81s

12-15-2007, 09:51 PM

ASU, Florida, Tennessee and Notre Dame are his final 4

He will definitely announce at the AAA game

IrishKnight1023

12-15-2007, 10:57 PM

There is NO change in hell of him being around 10000000 ND recruits that week and choosing another team come the game. He's as good as ours IMO.

IrishCalves

12-15-2007, 11:36 PM

I think its pretty much down to ASU and ND, with the latter getting the edge here.

Whether or not this was from the horses mouth or from "sources" I don't remember, but a month or so back I do recall hearing him say he wouldn't mind playing DB if it meant getting on the field quicker. Maybe its just me, but I don't know how that bodes well for Tennessee or Florida. I think he'll pick the school/program that fits him best, which will either be closest to home or his "dream" package. I think the Irish get him baring some sort of "ship is full" scenario.

NDgrandson

12-16-2007, 02:33 AM

I could seriously see him being a Taylor Mays type saftey if he doesn't play WR.

Wow. That elusive super star safety athlete is a tough one to come by. I consider Mays and Major Wright to be 2 of them. Will Hill could be as well. I just looked up some stuff on Mays and while Gerell has the athletic ability to be a great safety it would be a tough comparison. Mays has 30+ lbs on him to start. Now, I am not sure at what point Mays was at 240-245, but GR is 210. They are both 6'3". Mays, I think, was always a safety, and primarily a safety. GR is strong and cut but not as "thick" as Mays or Wright. The comparison I think you are making is in talent moreso than profile, but profile wise it is uncanny between GR and Will Hill. Both are 6'3". Hill is about 5 lbs less which is basically a wash. Hill has a 4.5 to GR's 4.6. Both played QB and lead their team primarily as such.

I'll tell you what. I would love to get GR and Walker and put GR at safety from the get go. Get this, David Bruton on scout was listed at 6'2", 180 lbs (now 207). I think GR has that kind of ability and has an inch and 30 lbs on Bruton (as a HS SR). Looking at safety, Harrison Smith (6'2", 205 lbs, 4.38) is a year ahead and GR would be coming in with McCarthy (6'2" 190 lbs 4.5). When you stack them up like that, we remember what a stud Harrison Smith is. That kid is more solid than I remember and he is real fast. HS has as many eligible years as GR does right now. Both GR and DM played QB. GR has that extra inch and probably a longer reach. In conclusion, he is right now similar in profile to Will Hill and David Bruton.

What would you do about GR's position is he comes here? How about if both he and Walker come here?

jonesman

12-16-2007, 10:37 AM

Harrison Smith will make some serious waves at Safety this coming season. Do not think that McCarthy has that position locked down by any means. The only reason CW did not put him on the field last season was too spread the eligibility out. Smith has great size and tremendous speed.

irishunclebill

12-16-2007, 10:03 PM

Two different stories out today on who GRob's favorites are. One from ASU where he visited this weekend has ASU, ND, and Oregon in his Top 3. The other which I think is more reliable does not have Oregon, but has Tennessee and Florida instead in addition to ASU & ND. ASU & ND are the common ones here, and ND is the only name that has been consistently on GRob's changing lists since he de-committed Arizona. Unless GRob somehow falls under the spell of the low life coaching ASU, ND should definitely have the edge in that battle.

One ND recruiting site mod has gone so far as to predict that GRob will be Irish. That is a pretty bold statement for these guys who tend to always hedge their bets. One other piece of good news is that both stories reported that GRob will announce during the AAA game, which means that his announcement should not have any bearing on Deion Walker's announcement the same day at the ESPN game.

IrishKnight1023

12-16-2007, 10:22 PM

Yeah there are some guys that I'm high on and Gerrell is one of them. I can't possibly see him being around the 10,000 ND commits and not loving ND and commiting somewhere else.

daytonirish

12-17-2007, 05:19 AM

NDGirlzRock

12-17-2007, 07:18 AM

I'll chime in here and say that I have said all along that we get both of them. I think that GR has seen the writing on the wall and realized that he is an athlete and he may play at a few different positions....thus his continued interest in ND.

irishunclebill

12-17-2007, 09:50 AM

So IUB are you saying we get both of them ? Just messing around, but it would be nice if any N.D. fan is going to be at the espn game to watch Deion. Make sure if you see any kind of tv feed from the AAA game on the sideline you unplug the cord before GRob picks the Irish. :D

It is certainly possible. The one thing that seems settled to me is that ND is now a semi-finalist in both instances, which will definitely make both games worth watching. I also like the fact that we won't be playing LSU a few days before these games this year.

goirish41

12-17-2007, 10:03 AM

I also like the fact that we won't be playing LSU a few days before these games this year.

LOL. Finally, a silver lining to a 3-9 season. :)

daytonirish

12-17-2007, 02:17 PM

We can always count on you IUB to find the bright spot in everything.

NDisNCin2010

12-17-2007, 03:09 PM

plus, doesnt hurt that GRob's HS coach is an ND man...im sure he will be guiding him thru all the bullshit the "late comers" are throwing at him (read: Urbie and Mattison)

irish_bobcat

12-17-2007, 07:15 PM

NDgrandson

12-20-2007, 12:16 AM

http://www.newerascouting.com/index.php?c=32&a=960

Nick Ironside (gallup21) just put up a new interview with GR on the site he writes for. Check it out. It is interesting what GR says about only playing WR, his 40 time, weight, being coachable and lots of route running.

gallup21

12-20-2007, 12:17 AM

dayne thinks we have a good shot at landing gerell, and so do i. very nice guy too

Fishin'_Irish

12-20-2007, 12:27 AM

Good write up Gallup.

benneboy

12-20-2007, 12:53 AM

best interview yet gallup. Either GR is extremely well coached in saying the right things or this guy really gets it.

Fishin'_Irish

12-20-2007, 12:55 AM

Or Gallup just told him what to say and made up fake answers. :eek:

daytonirish

12-20-2007, 05:44 AM

great interview Gallop 21. You never disappoint when you post your interviews.

grungejunky

12-20-2007, 10:30 AM

ironside is a man's name.

WheelMan

12-20-2007, 10:33 AM

Great interview Gallup and thanks for sharing it with us.

gallup21

12-20-2007, 12:41 PM

best interview yet gallup. Either GR is extremely well coached in saying the right things or this guy really gets it.

talking to him outside of the interivew, id say he just gets it. he may be coached a little in what to say, but i can assure u his coach wasnt there when he was doing the interview, and hes been great. he knows devon kennard and is trying to help me get in contact with him

stonebreakerwasgod

12-20-2007, 12:45 PM

ironside is a man's name.

Not as much as stonebreaker. Although, at least his is real :(

NDisNCin2010

12-20-2007, 01:01 PM

Hey Nick:
Has Cholly offered you a scholly yet?

IrishKnight1023

12-20-2007, 03:26 PM

Good job Nick.....He did the right thing in not declaring a leader but with the AAA game 2 weeks away I'm pretty sure he is feeling one of the teams more than the others. He's going to be surrounded by Irish commits at the game WITH Dayne throwing to him all week in pratice. I say ...Fogetaabouttitt he's Irish.

bayirish

12-20-2007, 03:41 PM

You make a great point about Dayne throwing him the ball all week. I'll bet Dayne will be recruiting him just as hard as Charlie and Co.

benneboy

12-20-2007, 05:18 PM

Not to mention that Dayne said some time ago that Gerrell was one of the best WR's he had ever thrown to.

irishziggy

12-21-2007, 10:18 AM

another note is that Mike Bellotti (Oregon's head coach) has interviewed for the UCLA job and looks to be the leader.

I say this will def hurt Oregon's chances. I know it's been said that it's us and ASU already, but I think this solidifies it.

mwinely

12-22-2007, 07:24 AM

Belotti said he's staying at Oregon.

irish_bobcat

12-26-2007, 08:29 PM

Alright I was reading in Sports Illustrated and they don't even list of as in one of GRob's Top 5 schools he is considering. What is the deal?

IrishCalves

12-26-2007, 09:14 PM

Its SI is what it is. Any time you see the "big chain" national sports outlets try to cover HS athletes, unless they do an up close personal profile they're going to have outdated/misinformed news. Don't read into their list of schools being considered.

RichardRiot

12-26-2007, 09:19 PM

Yeah, like 'Calves says:

SI = great calendar company

Rest of the publication fits somewhere between the cat litter and the litterbox tray......

irish_bobcat

12-26-2007, 10:56 PM

Alright guys thanks for the heads up. I feel much better now.

baccleary

12-31-2007, 03:59 PM

read on rivals that he has been hanging out with all the ND commits and that pryor and josh jenkins have been hanging with all the osu commits. just an fyi, take it fwiw.

NDgrandson

12-31-2007, 04:36 PM

read on rivals that he has been hanging out with all the ND commits and that pryor and josh jenkins have been hanging with all the osu commits. just an fyi, take it fwiw.

Good to see you posting and thanks for the info. The interesting thing is the whole WR or S thing. In the interview with Nick he said WR but here he is playing S. It may not be by choice but I kind of hope he likes it this week and becomes open to it if he comes to ND.

NDIRISH44

12-31-2007, 07:56 PM

NDgrandson

12-31-2007, 09:48 PM

as hard as it is for kids 18 yrs old they need to be open to position change. look at all the ND kids in the nfl playing receiver like carlyle "every day is a" holiday, arnez battle, etc. it's a shame a kid like demetrius jones was so bull-headed about QB. with those legs and that frame i think he would've faired well at receiver. i don't see him making it in the nfl as a QB given he can't throw a 20 yd out, at least from what i've seen. sorry to stray from the topic. it's dangerous having a kid on the field that is versatile.

Well, when you are recruiting a kid who can play multiple positions you might do one of two things. 1, you tell him he will play whatever position he is needed at most and make no promises to the position of his preference. 2, you give your word to play him at his prefered position. Depending on the recruit, that plays a part of which school the kid goes to. If CW told Jones he would only play QB than that is that. If Jones changed his mind and said I just want to go to ND and contribute however I can, than maybe he takes a crack at WR. However, just because Battle and Holiday are receivers in the NFL does not mean Jones would have been any better than the top 4 or 5 WRs we had / have. Call him "bull-headed" if you want but for all we know he'll be the next Donovan McNabb. Had he come to ND maybe you would have said he should have made the switch to WR?

If Robinson said he only wants to play WR or wants the opportunity at WR than that is where we put him or we pull the offer. If GR does not get PT at WR in his first two years he may be open to S at that point. Only the staff knows the situation but GR told gallup he will be playing WR.

NI: What position are you looking to play in college? How does a player such as your self become so versatile?

GR: I am looking to play WR in college, I have turned down a lot of schools that what me to play Free Safety, and quite a few for QB. I a really blessed with a lot of god given ability, but I do work hard in everything I do growing up I played three sports football, basketball, and baseball. I played year around baseball and basketball so I was traveling and playing non-stop.

http://www.newerascouting.com/index.php?c=88&a=960

Everyone should read that article. I like the amount of time and work he is putting into route running, speed and strength training.

NDIRISH44

01-01-2008, 08:20 AM

good commentary, thank you.

mikejND

01-01-2008, 12:29 PM

Gerell is down to ND and ASU per Mike Farell, hasn't decided if he's going to verbal at the game. Hanging with a lot of ND recruits.

irishdan123084

01-01-2008, 03:47 PM

Gerell is down to ND and ASU per Mike Farell, hasn't decided if he's going to verbal at the game. Hanging with a lot of ND recruits.

who said he is hanging out with the recruits? Mike? or is that just speculation?

daytonirish

01-01-2008, 04:19 PM

Well he was picked up at the airport by the Golic family, and there have been other reports that he's been hanging out with the N.D. commits.

irishdan123084

01-01-2008, 04:50 PM

sweeeeet

mikejND

01-01-2008, 08:57 PM

Farrell and other rivals analyst said that.

NDgrandson

01-01-2008, 09:02 PM

Well he was picked up at the airport by the Golic family, and there have been other reports that he's been hanging out with the N.D. commits.

I suddenly find you more credible that your name is bolded. ;)

stonebreakerwasgod

01-01-2008, 09:39 PM

Some are starting to like GRob over DWalk if there had to be a choice. One can only hope his success at DB will leave him open to playing D, if need be.

irishunclebill

01-01-2008, 11:08 PM

Some are starting to like GRob over DWalk if there had to be a choice. One can only hope his success at DB will leave him open to playing D, if need be.

I don't usually like to comment on this type subject, but if I had to make the choice as a ND coach looking for another WR, this would be a no brainer. Walker is a bona fide superstar WR in the making who knows that position like the back of his hand. GRob is a tremendous athlete who may end up being a superstar at possiby three different positions. If I am looking for a WR only, and I get to pick one only, I don't even see that as a difficult choice.

That being said, the ND staff is not looking to choose here. They want both of these guys and hopefully by this Saturday they will have them.

IrishKnight1023

01-02-2008, 04:06 AM

U.S. ALL AMERICAN BOWL CHAT with Gerell Robinson

http://notredame.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=756937

stonebreakerwasgod

01-02-2008, 06:36 AM

I don't like to choose either, I like blondes and brunettes.

NDgrandson

01-02-2008, 08:44 AM

http://notredame.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=756937 (same as previous link)

While it's been obvious in following you that you want to play wide receiver at the next level, many analysts are saying you've got NFL potential at the safety position (updates suggest you've been the best safety prospect at the Army Bowl) and could even grow into an outside linebacker type once you get into a college strength and conditioning program.

What is your take on what the analysts think in regards to you growing out of the wideout position? If you do continue to grow, will you embrace a switch over to the defensive side of the ball?

- BodaBoda
Robinson - Safety, I haven't played safety since my junior year and at that time I did pretty good. I was all-state and had 8 picks in 10 games. Took a year off to be quarterback and receiver and that's been my main focus. This whole week I've been working hard, and day by day I see great improvements in performance.

If I had to play safety, I'd have no problem. I'd have no problem embracing it.

2 things here...

1) Great that there is willingness to play safety, but if he wants a shot at WR, we give him that shot.

2) Does anyone here know of someone who's last name ends in a "boda?"

Great interview and thanks for the link.

NDIRISH44

01-02-2008, 09:51 AM

some guy named svo

fwirish24

01-02-2008, 04:45 PM

NDgrandson

01-03-2008, 11:02 PM

And, as always, the commitment list is a fluid one. There are a few other players who could decide to make their decisions during the game. DeBoskie's teammate, Gerell Robinson, said he's up in the air about whether he'll announce or not. Robinson has narrowed his list to Arizona State and Notre Dame with the Irish expected to get the nod if he chooses this weekend.

http://footballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=757027

http://notredame.scout.com/a.z?s=109&p=2&c=716760&ssf=1&RequestedURL=http%3a%2f%2fnotredame.scout.com%2fa. z%3fs%3d109%26p%3d2%26c%3d716760

Gerell Robinson is at the US Army All-America Game in San Antonio, Texas and will announce his decision. Will Oregon be among his finalist?

Gerrell WILL announce on Saturday!!!

That is a good sign. :)

henges25

01-03-2008, 11:35 PM

Brandon Newman hints that GR will commit to ND in his new rivals video interview.

fighting doug

01-03-2008, 11:39 PM

http://notredame.rivals.com/video.asp?section=fbrecruit&pkey=&vidtype=amp&vidid=2896

Newman looks damn good!

irishdan123084

01-03-2008, 11:56 PM

yayyyy!!!!!!!!

SoCalDomer

01-04-2008, 01:04 AM

"guys that just fit in with us..."

i like the sound of that.

fighting doug

01-04-2008, 01:50 AM

http://msnbc2.rivals.com/video.asp?section=fbrecruit&pkey=45134&vidtype=amp&vidid=2892

No decision this weekend? Damnit!

Fishin'_Irish

01-04-2008, 02:04 AM

http://msnbc2.rivals.com/video.asp?section=fbrecruit&pkey=45134&vidtype=amp&vidid=2892

No decision this weekend? Damnit!

I thought he seemed very well-spoken in the interview. Much more so than UM's Marcuses. Hopefully he'll wake up knowing Saturday, but if he doesn't want to commit then, there's no need in rushing the decision. I think he will though, for some reason. It's possible that he's waiting for Deion to announce. I'm feeling pretty confident about him regardless.

stonebreakerwasgod

01-04-2008, 05:31 AM

I'm in a better place (in spite of Omar) with us being in the hunt with Grob, DW, and Martin, AND.....having Newman do so well!!

daytonirish

01-04-2008, 06:17 AM

I guess we will find out Sat. if he's going to announce. The interview from rivals was done on Tue., the scout quote is dated for yesterday. So who knows , maybe we get a little more info today.

stonebreakerwasgod

01-04-2008, 06:34 AM

I'm interested in hearing how Jonas plays with injury.

NotreDameNate

01-04-2008, 10:31 AM

I was reading earlier on ESPN that G. Robinson is down to two schools, ND and Arizona St. I think this might be a good sign for us.

Here is the link:
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/recruiting/briefingroom?playerId=45901

ab2cmiller

01-04-2008, 10:48 AM

It's down to us and Arizona St. not Arizona

NDgrandson

01-04-2008, 11:38 AM

http://msnbc2.rivals.com/video.asp?section=fbrecruit&pkey=45134&vidtype=amp&vidid=2892

No decision this weekend? Damnit!

My previous post on this thread saying he will announce is dated Jan 3 and the no decision artice you reference is dated the 2nd. It had to be that NBC piece on the verballed recruits where he was hanging around but not part of it that did it. No, I don't know, but it looks good.

IrishChieftain777

01-04-2008, 12:39 PM

The teaser for a premium article on BGI indicates that Robinson's decision is "likely to extend past this weekend until a time when he feels more comfortable."

http://www.blueandgold.com/content/?aid=4903

I guess we'll have to see if he feels comfortable enough Saturday.

Given all of the reports of his camaraderie with our current committed prospects, you almost have to conclude that his concern about competition is the only thing holding him back. This in turn would indicate that Deion Walker's addition to our class is a very strong likelihood.

NDgrandson

01-04-2008, 12:50 PM

It's a different story everyday. :confused:

Either way I will be happy with our WR haul this year (assuming we get one of the remaining 2).

Ideally, GR is MVP for the West at S and commits to ND and goes on to be a stud at either S or WR for us.

irishunclebill

01-04-2008, 01:03 PM

Fishin'_Irish

01-04-2008, 01:04 PM

And IUB settles it. lol

ab2cmiller

01-04-2008, 01:08 PM

remind me to rep him tomorrow LOL

ab2cmiller

01-04-2008, 01:09 PM

Oh what the heck, reps to IUB. You are the best.

jonesman

01-04-2008, 01:16 PM

NDisNCin2010

01-04-2008, 01:18 PM

his teammate just picked Cal over Ariz St...might be a good sign for us, no?

ab2cmiller

01-04-2008, 01:21 PM

not unless he thought his teammate was a jerk. LOL

irishunclebill

01-04-2008, 01:31 PM

My hope of course is that ND lands both GRob and Deion. My gut is telling me not to get my hopes too high, and to be happy if we get one or the other. To be honest I for one will be thrilled if that is the end result because I have a feeling that both of these guys are going to be very special CFB players. If we do get both, I'm not sure what the word is for thrilled times two.

Is it possible? It seems to be. Contrary to some earlier reports, both of these guys are now saying that they are not concerned if the other decides to pick ND, although GRob is a little more ambivalent about that position than Deion. There are a lot of people high up on the ND recruiting food chain who believe that Deion Walker is already Irish, and most of these same people were said to be very encouraged about ND's chances with GRob if he announced this weekend. Let's hope they are right, but as I said as long as we get at least one of them, I will not be disappointed.

irishunclebill

01-04-2008, 01:34 PM

I wish Gerell the best no matter who he chooses. He has handled the decision process with class and above board. He is smart young man who will go where he believes fits him best. This is how the process should be done, unlike some others who make rash decisions and then try to cover up a change of decisiion. Good Luck Gerrell!!! Your choice will get a solid young man. Go IRISH!!!

Not for nothing jonesman, and this is not a knock on GRob, just the facts, but you are aware that he was looking elsewhere while still a verbal commit to Arizona, then stopped looking and re-affirmed his commit to Arizona, only to subsequently fully de-commit.

benneboy

01-04-2008, 01:36 PM

Now set to announce tomorrow.

irishunclebill

01-04-2008, 01:37 PM

Now set to announce tomorrow.

LOL- Does anybody ever look back even one page in these threads?

ab2cmiller

01-04-2008, 01:39 PM

We landed on the moon!!!!!!!!!!!!

SoCalDomer

01-04-2008, 01:40 PM

look back one page? I don't even look up one post. takes too much time. :D

NDChatt

01-04-2008, 01:42 PM

My hope of course is that ND lands both GRob and Deion. My gut is telling me not to get my hopes too high, and to be happy if we get one or the other. To be honest I for one will be thrilled if that is the end result because I have a feeling that both of these guys are going to be very special CFB players. If we do get both, I'm not sure what the word is for thrilled times two.
Is it possible? It seems to be. Contrary to some earlier reports, both of these guys are now saying that they are not concerned if the other decides to pick ND, although GRob is a little more ambivalent about that position than Deion. There are a lot of people high up on the ND recruiting food chain who believe that Deion Walker is already Irish, and most of these same people were said to be very encouraged about ND's chances with GRob if he announced this weekend. Let's hope they are right, but as I said as long as we get at least one of them, I will not be disappointed.

Aussi être ravi.

benneboy

01-04-2008, 01:42 PM

We landed on the moon!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry. Wasn't aware that something that came out about 30 minutes ago was common knowledge.

ab2cmiller

01-04-2008, 01:46 PM

Aussi être ravi.

Ummmmm...... I left my foreign language dictionary at home ..... I guess I can look it up later

irishunclebill

01-04-2008, 01:48 PM

Sorry. Wasn't aware that something that came out about 30 minutes ago was common knowledge.

That is why:

WE ARE GOLD HELMET!!! :D

NDisNCin2010

01-04-2008, 01:56 PM

LOL- Does anybody ever look back even one page in these threads?

only in the Must Read For Men thread...

SoCalDomer

01-04-2008, 01:59 PM

Ummmmm...... I left my foreign language dictionary at home ..... I guess I can look it up later

look back one page. :D "thrilled times two", or something similar.

daytonirish

01-04-2008, 02:01 PM

irishunclebill

01-04-2008, 02:04 PM

Yeah, I agree IUB. Your starting to sound like my old 3rd grade teacher, Sister Mary Ann. Next your going to start to smack my knuckles with a ruler. Go back and read something from earlier, man thats alot of work. :p :D

You think Sister Mary Ann was bad, you should have had Sister Eileen, that was one bad dude there.:D

ab2cmiller

01-04-2008, 02:10 PM

look back one page. :D "thrilled times two", or something similar.

Oh ok, I thought he was just telling us what he was having for dinner tonight

irishziggy

01-04-2008, 02:11 PM

Not for nothing jonesman, and this is not a knock on GRob, just the facts, but you are aware that he was looking elsewhere while still a verbal commit to Arizona, then stopped looking and re-affirmed his commit to Arizona, only to subsequently fully de-commit.

but that's because he wanted to play QB way back when. When he realized the schools he ended up being interested in wanted him as a WR and he realized that his chances of being successful in CFB were at WR then he re-opened his recruitment.

lets remember the only reason he didnt have an offer before was b/c he didnt attend our Camp. he was said to be very interested in us but couldnt make the trip, so ND never offered. then he turned around and re-affirmed his committment status to AZ. Now we're hot on his trail and the ND guys love him and vice versa. I thought the only shot we had of getting him was if he was to announce on Saturday. I'm not sure Deion's committment matters much anymore b/c he feels like he's a part of something special just hanging out with the guys and he hasnt even committed yet. :-D

irishunclebill

01-04-2008, 02:30 PM

but that's because he wanted to play QB way back when. When he realized the schools he ended up being interested in wanted him as a WR and he realized that his chances of being successful in CFB were at WR then he re-opened his recruitment.

lets remember the only reason he didnt have an offer before was b/c he didnt attend our Camp. he was said to be very interested in us but couldnt make the trip, so ND never offered. then he turned around and re-affirmed his committment status to AZ. Now we're hot on his trail and the ND guys love him and vice versa. I thought the only shot we had of getting him was if he was to announce on Saturday. I'm not sure Deion's committment matters much anymore b/c he feels like he's a part of something special just hanging out with the guys and he hasnt even committed yet. :-D

I agree Zig, that is why I said it was not a knock on him, but to be fair he did renege on his committement to Arizona for what he and we consider to be good reasons, much as Omar Hunter may have reneged on his committment to ND for what he considered to be good reasons. (doubtful about that though);) GRob is in no way in the category of a Barksdale, or a Finch, or even a Omar IMO, but I think it would be somewhat hypocritical of us to not point out that his recruitment has not been exactly like an EJ's or a Floyd's.

IrishGrizz

01-04-2008, 02:44 PM

You think Sister Mary Ann was bad, you should have had Sister Eileen, that was one bad dude there.:D
I would stack my eighth grade teacher at Our Lady of Lourdes (Fighting Irish), Sister Mary David, up against your Sister Eileen. She had all of us cowered for not conjugating verbs correctly. I can't imagine what she would have done if we had wasted anyones time restating information because we failed to have read all previous pages of a thread!

irishunclebill

01-04-2008, 02:55 PM

I would stack my eighth grade teacher at Our Lady of Lourdes (Fighting Irish), Sister Mary David, up against your Sister Eileen. She had all of us cowered for not conjugating verbs correctly. I can't imagine what she would have done if we had wasted anyones time restating information because we failed to have read all previous pages of a thread!

LOL- something fishy is up here. I know for a fact that there are no Catholics in Idaho.;)

IrishGrizz

01-04-2008, 03:04 PM

You caught me IUB- I spent my first 20 years of life in Montana (hence the Grizz moniker) before to move to the big city of Boise.

NDisNCin2010

01-04-2008, 03:18 PM

if i recall GRob "back in the day" was quoted as saying, i believe, that in order for him to keep his verbal commitment and go to Arizona they would have to win at leats 8 games in 2007...(or something like that)

irishziggy

01-04-2008, 04:31 PM

I agree Zig, that is why I said it was not a knock on him, but to be fair he did renege on his committement to Arizona for what he and we consider to be good reasons, much as Omar Hunter may have reneged on his committment to ND for what he considered to be good reasons. (doubtful about that though);) GRob is in no way in the category of a Barksdale, or a Finch, or even a Omar IMO, but I think it would be somewhat hypocritical of us to not point out that his recruitment has not been exactly like an EJ's or a Floyd's.

well said, i def understand what you mean.

NDisNCin2010

01-04-2008, 04:51 PM

anyone see Brandon Newmans video clip from today on Rivals? (upper right corner video screen of II home page)
at the end, he all but says GRob is Irish...stay tuned!

iloveirish_12

01-04-2008, 04:58 PM

So is he announcing tomorrow or not? I saw in this thread he was and then wasn't.

daytonirish

01-04-2008, 04:59 PM

Yes he is. As of right now.

Akron Irish

01-04-2008, 05:00 PM

So is he announcing tomorrow or not? I saw in this thread he was and then wasn't.

you missed the then he was again... :)

NDisNCin2010

01-04-2008, 05:04 PM

and for you superstitious ND guys out there GRob's jersey for the game tomorrow will be number 8...same number that Clausen had to wear last year when they "lost" his #7 jersey...

daytonirish

01-04-2008, 05:11 PM

Isn't that also the # his H.S. coach Belles wore at N.D. :D

GoldenShower

01-04-2008, 10:49 PM

Isn't that also the # his H.S. coach Belles wore at N.D. :D

Speaking of Belles, he had this quote in the AZ Republic
http://www.azcentral.com/sports/preps/articles/0103deboskie0104.html

Belles, a Notre Dame alumnus who is in San Antonio to watch Deboskie and Robinson play, said Robinson likely would choose the school where he can play right away.

Robinson, 6-foot-4, 210 pounds, who will focus on receiver in college, is rated the No. 1 football prospect in Arizona and 52nd nationally by Rivals.com. He had more than 500 rushing yards, more than 500 receiving yards and more than 800 passing yards last season when he split time between quarterback and receiver.

"At Notre Dame, I think he can play right away," Belles said. "But it will be his choice in the end.

"It comes down to where he feels comfortable."

irishdan123084

01-05-2008, 12:48 AM

he would definitely get some PT right away at wide receiver but i dont think at safety

Fishin'_Irish

01-05-2008, 01:05 AM

Special teams is where he'd play first, jmo.

irishziggy

01-05-2008, 01:05 PM

G-rob is announcing pre-kick in the 3rd quarter

irishdan123084

01-05-2008, 01:43 PM

Grob = Asu

irishdan123084

01-05-2008, 01:43 PM

crap...

irishunclebill

01-05-2008, 01:43 PM

GRob is out, but Walker looks good.

Dayton_Domer

01-05-2008, 01:49 PM

mamas boy...

Specnatz

01-05-2008, 01:54 PM

mamas boy...

HAHA can't fault a kid for not wanting to go to far away from home.

irishziggy

01-05-2008, 02:04 PM

i wish G-Rob well, but he would've been a great addition. I just hope he doesnt get dooped by Erickson then by his soph year, Dennis goes on to another job like he's done previously.

NDisNCin2010

01-05-2008, 03:29 PM

good luck GRob...

CULion17

01-05-2008, 09:26 PM

What's the skinny on this ASU commit. Was it the depth chart/D.Walker situation? Did he really just want to stay home?
Regardless he seems like a really good kid. Good luck G.Rob.

NDgrandson

01-05-2008, 09:49 PM

What's the skinny on this ASU commit. Was it the depth chart/D.Walker situation? Did he really just want to stay home?
Regardless he seems like a really good kid. Good luck G.Rob.

My feeling is that it was a tough decision.

ASU
Warm weather
Mama likes the proximity
Big fish, little pond
Early PT

ND
Academics
Relationships with team
NBC tv contract

I think he was informed of DWalk in some way and that was the nail in the ND coffin. What was up with the INT he dropped. It was almost like he purposely did not catch it so he would not fan the flames of him playing safety, dunno, but as a receiver, he could have caught that. Too bad he got knocked out late in the 2nd quarter. Maybe he got hit so hard he said ASU when he meant ND?

stonebreakerwasgod

01-05-2008, 09:52 PM

I agree with the proposition that he wants to be big man in a small pond. Which I don't blame him, you see these type of guys going to ASU, Illinois, oh......and Cincinnati. :)

IrishGrizz

01-05-2008, 10:14 PM

I was nervous about this all day until I read about Walker committing. I think we got the better of the 2. I always want the faster of any 2 and the one that wants to come to the place with the biggest challenges/most competition because they believe in themselves. That is why I love Crist- he would not look at JC as a deterrent, but as a challenge to overcome and become better. What a class:D

Good luck GRob in the desert.

CULion17

01-05-2008, 10:21 PM

NDGrandson there is one more MAJOR plus for ASU

TOP 3 University for Hot, Hot, Hot Girls.

Sadly I think ND is D.III in this category.

stonebreakerwasgod

01-05-2008, 10:33 PM

irishunclebill

01-05-2008, 11:26 PM

What's the skinny on this ASU commit. Was it the depth chart/D.Walker situation? Did he really just want to stay home?
Regardless he seems like a really good kid. Good luck G.Rob.

The deal with GRob is this. He was told earlier this week that Walker was in the ND column, but despite this the Irish still wanted him to come to South Bend. They even offered him the same type flexibility that they were going to allow Chris Harper if he ended up Irish, in that they would have him prepared to play multiple positions on offense WR/RB, and even some plays as a QB. GRob had to wrestle with this all week, which was why his announcement kept being put off and then back on. He did not even advise either the ASU or ND coaching staff of what his choice was going to be prior to making it, basically because it was pretty obvious that he was not 100% sure (probably still is not) until he actually picked up the ASU hat. The news of Walker being ND was no doubt a factor in all of this as GRob had also mentioned that as a consideration in November when he was expecting Baldwin to announce for the Irish. However, distance was just as much a factor here, and we should have recognized that when Oregon was dropped from consideration. Despite the distance and the depth factor for the Irish, GRob kept ND in it literally right up to the minute he selected that ASU hat. Unfortunately, by picking that hat he is putting his future in the precarious hands of a notorious asshat who is unlikely to be even at ASU by the time GRob is a sophomore. On the other hand from all accounts GRob is a great kid and an extraordinarily gifted athlete who will most likely prosper even while dealing with the likes of a Dennis Erickson. Good Luck to him, I wish he had decided to throw his lot in with the Irish, but at least we will not have to contend with his talents unless it's at a bowl game.