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Svoboda
07-24-2007, 10:18 AM
With the Fightin' Irish Inn almost full for the Class of 2008, we've decided to take a look ahead to the Class of 2009. Making a few assumptions on how the 2008 recruiting class will fill out, we expect the Irish to have approximately 15 scholarships open in 2009.

With only 15 scholarships, the Irish will need to be very selective in who they offer as each commitment will be crucial to the continued success of the Irish program. Weis has discussed in the past how he would like to achieve balance and consistency among recruiting classes and this is amplified with smaller classes.

With smaller recruiting classes, you simply cannot afford to have many misses when it comes to your talent evaluation as you may have two years before another recruit is ready to contribute. With fewer numbers, this is again amplified as Notre Dame has historically had less academic and attrition casualties then other major college football programs.

Anticipated 2009 Breakdown:

QB (1) - With Zach Frazer transferring, we have one quarterback per class for the last three classes. I look for Weis to make sure he takes at least one signal caller per class to ensure continuity and to always have someone being groomed to take over the reigns if a player graduates, goes pro or transfers.

RB/FB (1) - In 2009, the Irish will be stocked with youth at the running back position with 3 juniors and 2 sophomores. I'd look for the Irish to be extremely picky here, especially if they end up stuffing a back into the 2008 class as expected. If Munir Prince makes the move to cornerback permanently as has been reported, then a possible 2nd back could be taken here.

WR (2) - Gamebreakers, Gamebreakers, Gamebreakers. In what is probably the least skilled unit on the Irish offensive, Weis and company should be seeking a couple wideouts that can stretch the field and take pressure off the quarterback and running game. That said, the wide receiver class of 2009 doesn't look to be as deep and loaded as 2008's class is.

TE (1) - Until I see differently, I'm subscribing to the 2-1-2 philosophy that Weis said he wanted at the tight end spot. With the way Weis loves to use the tight end within the offense, I see no reason why Notre Dame can't land a top 5 tight end year in and year out.

OL (3) - There is an adage I strongly believe in -- that championships are won along the offensive and defensive lines. In each recruiting class, no matter how stacked any unit may seem you ALWAYS need to bring in at least three lineman. With as much as the big uglies bump uglies, it's needed strictly for depth alone. However, to win those championships, you need a stable of behemoths pushing and competing every practice, every game, every season.

DL (3) - See above. And yes, bigger is most definitely better. In the newly employed 3/4 defense we need as many space eaters as possible so we can keep lanes open and let our skilled position players do what they're recruited to do -- make plays.

LB (2) - After taking four or five in 2008, selling the linebacker spot to potential recruits is probably going to be pretty tough. The good thing is there will be 7-8 backers on the roster that are sophomores or younger. Hold out for the absolute best guys you can land here or use the spots elsewhere.

CB/S (2) - Two corners will be necessary here, especially if Raeshon McNeil takes off to Rome as part of his architecture curriculum requirements. Safety isn't a position of need, so I'd say grab two top flight corners and be done with it.

K/P (0) - I fully believe you should never have more then 2 kickers/punters on scholarship and we're already there with Burkhart and Walker. Hopefully they can develop and bring some stability to the woeful Irish kicking game. If not, you may have to consider adding another kicker/punter in the 2010 class. Let's hope not.

A Balancing Act

As you can see, our anticipated breakdown yields a pretty balanced class and hits on all of our areas of need. A couple caveats would be the possibility of loading on at the wide receiver position, especially if we don't perform well there this upcoming season. Additionally, when any team moves to a new offensive or defensive set, it can lead to some attrition as plays that may have fit well in the 4/3 may not have the right frame, body type or skill set to play in the 3/4 scheme.

Another thing to carefully keep your eye on this season is the development of our younger players. With the loss of senior leadership we experienced in 2007, the 2006 recruiting class needs to have players fulfill the potential that landed them that 8th ranked class according to the Rivals recruiting service.

While Notre Dame Nation has been spoiled with instant success under the Weis regime, folks need to be patient this upcoming season. In less than a year the Irish have lost the most dynamic quarterback/wide receiver tandem in program history, have lost a high number of significant contributors to graduation, have experienced turnover within the coaching staff, have implemented a new defensive scheme and are now in the wake of ushering in a very youthful lineup. That's a lot to overcome.

All that being said, it's an exciting time to be a fan of the Fightin' Irish. With the infusion of youth into the starting lineup and two deeps, as well as the increased talent flocking to South Bend in droves to play for Coach Weis and Coach Brown, the Irish are poised to rebuild and reload on the fly and get back into that National Championship picture -- hopefully by the time the Class of 2009 recruits first set foot on campus.

Are you ready for some football?

Fishin'_Irish
07-24-2007, 04:12 PM
I think your breakdown is dead on in terms of numbers. Awesome job. We just need to make sure at least one of the LB's is an OLB.

scooper
07-24-2007, 10:25 PM
I'd like to see a FB soon. Though looking at your breakdown, where would he fit?

Svoboda
07-24-2007, 11:19 PM
I'd like to see a FB soon. Though looking at your breakdown, where would he fit?
I didn't include a fullback because Luke Schmidt is only going to be a sophomore and I think Robert Hughes can end up there. Also, the possibility that Ace gets the medical redshirt could keep him around another year, too.

That said, maybe 2010 or 2011 if needed.

scooper
07-25-2007, 07:36 AM
Good point on Ace. If he gets the redshirt, we're fine there. I think Hughes is going to fight like mad to keep any move from happening.

Svoboda
07-25-2007, 07:54 AM
Good point on Ace. If he gets the redshirt, we're fine there. I think Hughes is going to fight like mad to keep any move from happening.
I don't think he'll be a traditional fullback, but more like Jerome Bettis was used when he was at Notre Dame. We could literally have a two back set with either back being able to take it to the house.

NDGirlzRock
07-25-2007, 08:01 AM
I remember watching Bettis mow over a skunkbear in the first game of the season when he was a junior. The dude didn't get up for a couple of minutes. If Hughes can be even 50% as rough and tough as "the Bus" then the show ought to be grand!

Svoboda
07-25-2007, 01:52 PM
I remember watching Bettis mow over a skunkbear in the first game of the season when he was a junior. The dude didn't get up for a couple of minutes. If Hughes can be even 50% as rough and tough as "the Bus" then the show ought to be grand!
Good times.

Like I've said, Hughes is a briiiiiiiiiiiick.... hoooooooooouse. I'd be surprised if he doesn't make an impact early as he has good hands and that kind of size, speed and skill can be deadly out of the backfield.

Think a Darius Walker with a full back frame and more speed.

rontdtarchala
07-25-2007, 04:39 PM
I do like that thought...and if any of our backs can be remotely as good as the bus we are in for some fun fun fun...

IrishCalves
07-25-2007, 05:31 PM
I don't think he'll be a traditional fullback, but more like Jerome Bettis was used when he was at Notre Dame. We could literally have a two back set with either back being able to take it to the house.

Hmmm... its a creative take on it, I will definitely give you that. I think the Bettis comparison is a little bit too charged, particularly when we have yet to see Hughes play.

If it were me, I'd select a Rashon Powers-Neal comparison when he played under Weis, perhaps with a more expanded role than he had. It pertains to the current coaching staff and how they've utilized players, rather than a comparison to a player who played college ball in the early 90's, and has probably changed our perceptions of the guy by going on to have a Hall of Fame career in the pros.

The thing that I can't get past is we'd have two "athlete" fullbacks. Weis predicates his offense on versatility. Hence, he recruits a 5'8" speedy George West, in the same class that he goes after a 6'3" Robby Parris. Hence, he goes after a speed demon in Mike Ragone, as well as a premiere run blocker in Yeatman. So why would it be that he recruits the converted HS RB to be the big back/pass catching type, but doesn't go after the prototypical blocking FB? Schwapp isn't going to be around forever, so if he wants to have both types on the roster, he's got to think about the newest version of sooner or later. JMO though.

All things considered, early projections like yours are extremely difficult when we haven't even closed the book on this recruiting class. Nor have we seen this season's results - or the caliber of talent left to be recruited for 2009. Kids de-commit, players you had high expectations for don't meet them, transfers and injuries happen, and kids miraculously "blow up" and erase needs you thought you'd have. All in all an excellent effort Svo. Without a complete recruiting picture for the '08 class, nor the gridiron results for '07, a very accurate projection

tiger581
07-25-2007, 09:37 PM
I am ready for some football. I am really excited about this coming season. Even though the team is very young and experience does not run deep, you don't know how much a group of young men will pull together and play like a very experienced team. Other teams have done it and I like to believe that about ND.

stonebreakerwasgod
07-25-2007, 09:40 PM
I believe that our team realizes it can't rely on Quinn anymore, and EVERYONE is going to have to step up and take care of business. This is the kind of year, and group of players, that puts the TEAM first, and accolades second.

Fishin'_Irish
07-25-2007, 09:47 PM
If we play as a team, accolades should come.

stonebreakerwasgod
07-25-2007, 11:26 PM
You are a man of great wisdom. :)

Jiggafini19
07-28-2007, 03:43 PM
If they don't take 2 RB this year, I hope they take 2 in the following class.

DonJuan
07-28-2007, 05:14 PM
I hope we get this Williams guy! Btw Jigg, who's #49? It's not Crum is it?

irishunclebill
02-18-2008, 10:32 AM
Mid-February Update

We are not really looking ahead to the Class of 2009 anymore as it is about to hit us in the face, but here is one person's early perspective on how this recruiting season may pan out.

It appears more and more that the evolution of the Note Dame Class of 2009 will be vastly different than the Class of 2008.

The Class of 2008 was largely unaffected by Notre Dame's poor performance on the football field because by and large that group was a bunch of what we ND fans call "ND guys" to begin with. We sometimes take abuse from other fans because of the use of that term, but the fact is that an "ND guy" is simply a recruit who is inclined to pick the Irish because of the University as much as the football team. By this time last year, there were already twelve recruits who ended up picking Notre Dame who were easily identifiable as ND guys. Those twelve were Golic, Poz, Rudolph, McCarthy, Cave, Goodman, Filer, Fleming, Cwynar, Floyd, TRob, and McDonald. That group of 12 gave us all a high confidence to the eventual success of the Class of 2008 not only because it was a significant number of guys that were heavily considering ND to have available so early, but also because 11 of the 12 were Top 100 recruits on at least one recruiting board at some point in time. In addition to the twelve, guys like Newman, Crist, EJ, Fauria, and Hafis Williams also already had the look of "ND guys", although unlike the original 12, at this point in time last year those guys were looking at a wider net. However, even with those five you could not escape the feeling that if you could get them on campus that good things would happen, which they did. That's 17 out of the eventual 23 that looked as though ND had a solid shot at, and very early in the 2008 recruiting cycle. You could make it 18 with Jonas Gray, who was pro-ND all the way, but it did not appear that Jonas was going to get an offer at this time last year. So, out of 23 only five names became somewhat of a surprise as ND recruits as the year rolled on, Blanton, Slaughter, Clelland, KLM, and Deion Walker.

2009 is completely different. There are not nearly as many clearly identifiable ND guys on the horizon this year, and those that are do not match the firepower of last year's group of ND guys. Out of the current 15 ND offers, 14 are in the current Rivals 100. Of those 14, 3 have already committed. Out of the 11 remaining, at this point in time ND is considered to have a shot at only four, Wood, Bonds, Brown, and Shrive, and out of that group only Shrive appears to be an ND lean. If you look at the rest of the current Rivals 100, there are only 9 other names that at the present time ND appears to have a stake in, and not one of them for various reasons gives me the warm and fuzzies that last year's impending offers did. Here are the 9:

PA QB Tom Savage
PA WR Je'ron Stokes
NC RB Desmond Scott
AZ DT Corey Adams
NJ RB Theo Roddick
TX QB Ryan Mossakowski
MI RB Larry Caper
CA RB Tyler Gaffney
IN QB Morgan Newton

Now as we all know the Rivals 100 is not the be all and end all of recruiting expertise. However, it is no coincidence that 14 of the current 15 recruits that ND has offered thus far are in the current Rivals 100.

I'm not trying to paint a gloomy picture here for 2009 because I have no doubt that ND will accumulate a solid recruiting class this year as well. There are quite a few names not listed above that are potential solid 4 star recruits who would most likely pick ND as soon as they receive offers. We believe that CW already has 3 silent commits from as yet unoffered recruits in this class. One of them is supposed to be Jake Golic, the other two are supposed to be Defensive recruits who I have no clue on at this point in time.

In addition, no one outworks the ND staff. There are bound to be some diamonds in the rough out there like Newman, Hafis Williams, and KLM, who the ND staff was primarily responsible for identifying last year. Add to that the recruiting prowess of Corwin Brown, and the extra entrée of having Tenuta on your staff, and I am confident that they will pull in a good, if not great class this year. The point is that it is just not going to be as smooth a ride as in 2008, and the football season will most likely have a much bigger impact, hopefully positive, on the 2009 recruiting class than it did last year.

We expect that quite a slew of new offers will be going out in the next few weeks wrapped around the two upcoming ND Junior Days. I also am hoping that we will see the first commits for the 2009 class during that same period of time so the ball can start rolling downhill. Just don't expect to have the good fortune of last year where ND had 17 committed recruits at the end of June. This year looks to be a longer, more gradual, and more drawn out process, so while it may not be as exciting as 2008, it should certainly keep you interested and entertained.

GoldenShower
02-18-2008, 11:40 AM
IUB
Incredible update. This is one of the million reasons why I normally click on any post you've responded to.

To add to your synopsis I've been thinking about this as well. Agree whole-heartedly with your assessment of the 09 class but I also think that 09 prospects are paying attention to two important details:
- No matter what we say or argue the merits of, Weis and others are going to be on the "hot seat" until recruits translates to wins. If ND starts out 6-0 it will clearly have an impact on national media perspective and recruiting. If ND goes 1-3 and ends up 3-9, we've all said watch-out. We don't know that magic number of wins is, but I think a lot of people are under the wait-and-see...and this includes recruits

- Position battles. What I believe is that last year guys looked at Clausen, Kamara, Allen, Hughes, Williams, and believed they could make an immediate impact. I think situations such as Laws / Stephenson made EJ / KLM think playing time-early as a positive. The point is that I think having all of our youth and depth is going to hurt in 09 recruiting. In particular, I see guys at QB / RB / WR / OG / C / DT / OLB / CB / S turning away the Irish in competitive situations because it does appear that young players will have emerged as a starter and it will be more difficult to recruit at these positions.

- Which brings up your point - about finding ND guys who choose to be there and are choosing the university over the situation / position coaches / etc.

In the end, I think that winning cures all. After Florida or USC or LSU wins NCs and big games, kids forget the depth charts and coaches leaving - the blue-chip recruits simply think they can get on the field faster regardless of the situation.

IrishGrizz
02-19-2008, 01:53 PM
Once again- spot on, IUB. Thanks for the great 09 recruiting update. I will just cruise through the next few months, waiting for the Spring game. Then, I will start splitting my time watching and getting ready for the 08 season along w the recruiting.

mlcspinner
02-23-2008, 08:16 PM
With the depth we have at WR now do we still go for 2 this year? I have always felt you can never have to much depth on the OL or DL. you can throw LBs in there also

SoCalDomer
02-23-2008, 10:25 PM
it probably depends on what is out there by way of talent. if there were two can't afford to miss WR's then sure. plus, it's all about keeping the classes even. you wouldn't want to only take 1 this year and risk only getting 1 again next year. then a few years down the road the depth could again be an issue.

scooper
02-25-2008, 10:22 AM
There's not that much depth at WR. Yes. Go for two this year.