Rivals WR Category Rankings

[irishunclebill]

Interesting little free review by the Rivals "experts" where they rank the Top 5 receivers in 4 different categories, deep threat, best hands, best after the catch, best athlete. Interesting, but not surprising, considering who the "experts" are in that Floyd is not listed in any of the categories, and 11 of the 15 different names that are mentioned in the 4 categories are ranked below him on the Rivals WR list. The only guys ahead of him on the Rivals list who also made it into one of these categories are Julio Jones, A.J. Green, DeVier Posey, and Deion Walker.

I guess Floyd was #6 in all 4 categories.:rolleyes:

Of note, A.J. Green is the only guy in all 4 categories, no one else is in more than two. They rate Brice Butler as having the best hands. Biggest surprise on the list is Chris Owusu at #4 in the best hands category.

John Goodman also made it on one of the categories as the #5 "Best after the Catch." At least the boys got something right.;)

Link to complete story:

http://notredame.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=692630

[IrishCalves]

I think Owusu's film says he's got great hands because of the signal caller he had slinging the ball to him last year with pinpoint accuracy. :)

[ND Fanatic]

I was a little surprised by the lack of Floyds name in any of the catagories too. :confused::confused:

[irishunclebill]

I was a little surprised by the lack of Floyds name in any of the catagories too. :confused::confused:

LOL- reps.

[irishunclebill]

I was a little surprised by the lack of Floyds name in any of the catagories too. :confused::confused:

Just consider the sources, can't stretch the field etc., blah, blah, blah.

[irishunclebill]

LOL- I just noticed that Cordale Scott is now from the Glenville Academic Campus.

The power of the Ginn. That is truly hilarious, maybe the funniest thing I have seen all month.

[NDGirlzRock]

I was a little surprised by the lack of Floyds name in any of the catagories too. :confused::confused:

Why do you find that surprising when we all know that the media hates on anyone the even utters Notre Dame with any of their favorites? Bastards just can't be unbiased about who's good and who's not.

[RichardRiot]

Just consider the sources, can't stretch the field etc., blah, blah, blah.

So when they do TE's, we can expect Kyle Rudolph to be conspicuously absent?????

[napoleonbuck]

LOL- I just noticed that Cordale Scott is now from the Glenville Academic Campus.

The power of the Ginn. That is truly hilarious, maybe the funniest thing I have seen all month.

It's actually a new school that Ginn senior is starting up. It will be a boarding school of sort that will make it easier to track the academic progress of students and make sure they can qualify for college. Ginn Sr. is one of the good guys in recruiting.

Scott might not even end up at WR if he goes to Ohio State. He might go to free safety a la Taylor Mays. He's kind of thin, but he loves to hit.

[irishunclebill]

It's actually a new school that Ginn senior is starting up. It will be a boarding school of sort that will make it easier to track the academic progress of students and make sure they can qualify for college. Ginn Sr. is one of the good guys in recruiting.

Scott might not even end up at WR if he goes to Ohio State. He might go to free safety a la Taylor Mays. He's kind of thin, but he loves to hit.

Interesting. I knew if I sized the text up a little, I'd hear from you Buck. I didn't know it was going to be a new school. Last time I looked at the Glenville situation I had heard that he was going to try to change things within the existing Glenville complex, but was having problems.

The Ginn comment was not derogatory. I know that he looks out for his kids, and tries to help out kids from other schools as well. The comment was a genuine testament to his influence. At times it appears that he has more pull in Ohio HS football than Tressel.

[Troy's Enterprise Pride]

some of you homers are ridiculous. let's grow up and assess the situation for what it is:


Floyd was absent, yet he's one of the top WR's in the nation. Why is he not on any list? Well, Floyd is a total package WR. He is not a specialist. He accels in many categories, but he's not top 5 in any one category. Big deal. This isn't a case of the media hating on ND. This isn't a case of anti-ND bias. This is a case of their opinions that Floyd, while an incredible prospect, is not top 5 in any one thing.


A Lamborghini is top 5 in speed, but that doesn't make it a Consumer Reports "Best Buy"

[napoleonbuck]

From what I've gathered, it will be a campus separate from the current glenville campus.

Ginn probably has more pull in NE Ohio than Tressel among the Cleveland players(not counting some of the suburbs and the Catholic schools like Eds, Ignatius, and VASJ).

Glenville still hasn't really won anything in the playoffs. They've gone to state once I believe(lost in the semis IIRC). They usually have loads of skill positions but they're usually light on the line(though that's starting to change with two division one line prospects in this class and a potential five star line prospect enxt year in Marcus Hall, that could be a five star at either tackle or DE/DT considering he's 6'5" 290 with great athleticism).

Again, I think it's going to be a new school, but I'd have to check. I'm almost positive it's going to be separate from glenville though. I think some of the rationale is that producting athletes is one of the few things the Cleveland public school district is good at anymore, so they might as well try to make sure those athletes are qualified. I think they're starting small then expanding.

I also noticed Devier Posey on that list. Not to toot Ohio State's horn, but he'll be a good one. He's just as good as Floyd IMO. They're very similar players if you ever get a chance to see Posey's film. Floyd is a little more of a jump ball threat, where as posey is a little faster, but they both run similarly and just look a lot alike after they catch the ball.

[scooper]

Ginn's new school is to be a charter school, if I recall correctly. At least that was the plan when it started.

[irishunclebill]

some of you homers are ridiculous. let's grow up and assess the situation for what it is:


Floyd was absent, yet he's one of the top WR's in the nation. Why is he not on any list? Well, Floyd is a total package WR. He is not a specialist. He accels in many categories, but he's not top 5 in any one category. Big deal. This isn't a case of the media hating on ND. This isn't a case of anti-ND bias. This is a case of their opinions that Floyd, while an incredible prospect, is not top 5 in any one thing.


A Lamborghini is top 5 in speed, but that doesn't make it a Consumer Reports "Best Buy"

I don't disagree with what you are saying, I was being semi-serious when I said Floyd was probably #6 in each category. I also agree that this review was not a result of anti-ND bias, to be clear I didn't say that. It's more of a case of a couple of the reviewers having a pro-speed bias. Two of those guys seldom look past the 40 times whenever they evaluate anybody.

The Lamborghini reference is perfect for this example, except that in the case of the Rivals "experts", the fact that a Lamborghini is Top 5 in speed would automatically qualify it as a Rivals "Best Buy."

[Troy's Enterprise Pride]

iub, i agree that rivals puts too much stock into 40 times.... i think everyone does. look at dwayne jarrett as an example of a slower, but productive wideout. but, i wasnt addressing your post as much as i was addressing this one:


Why do you find that surprising when we all know that the media hates on anyone the even utters Notre Dame with any of their favorites? Bastards just can't be unbiased about who's good and who's not.



we can't just call homer fouls everytime someone doesn't annoint our players (or prospects) as the next great player. now, is there a media bias against ND? sometimes, yes... but not as much as we would like to think.... actually, it's far less oft than we claim. when it all boils down to it, i dont care if one of our prospects loses a star.... i dont care if mark may thinks we are the worst team in the nation.... i only care about winning. let everyone else say what they will.

[lattedatte]

some of you homers are ridiculous. let's grow up and assess the situation for what it is:


Floyd was absent, yet he's one of the top WR's in the nation. Why is he not on any list? Well, Floyd is a total package WR. He is not a specialist. He accels in many categories, but he's not top 5 in any one category. Big deal. This isn't a case of the media hating on ND. This isn't a case of anti-ND bias. This is a case of their opinions that Floyd, while an incredible prospect, is not top 5 in any one thing.


A Lamborghini is top 5 in speed, but that doesn't make it a Consumer Reports "Best Buy"

I am anything but a "homer" and I had the same thought as you. So I went to Rivals and Floyd, based on the last rivals 100, is ranked as the 8th best overall WR. This is a guy that last year was a jr. of the year candidate. So I think there is some credence here.

[napoleonbuck]

Don't worry about Rivals. Mike Adams went from being one of the five best lineman in the class to barely making the top 100. Rivals does a lot of politicking when it comes to recruiting rankings IMO, more so than scout.

They have their own agenda, and it's usually towards southern schools/prospects.

[RichardRiot]

iub, i agree that rivals puts too much stock into 40 times.... i think everyone does. look at dwayne jarrett as an example of a slower, but productive wideout. but, i wasnt addressing your post as much as i was addressing this one:



we can't just call homer fouls everytime someone doesn't annoint our players (or prospects) as the next great player. now, is there a media bias against ND? sometimes, yes... but not as much as we would like to think.... actually, it's far less oft than we claim. when it all boils down to it, i dont care if one of our prospects loses a star.... i dont care if mark may thinks we are the worst team in the nation.... i only care about winning. let everyone else say what they will.

I agree that it is unfair/incorrect to claim anti-ND bias just because Floyd is not a top 5 in any category; although this is an ND board, so I think it is fair to give a little leeway. I don't think it is unfair to say that Rivals/Scout/ESPN/Lemming have bias; although the bias is not against just ND.

It is odd that Julio Jones would be ahead of Green in the overall rankings on Rivals, but only in the top 5 in 2 of the 4 categories versus Green being in the top 5 in all 4 categories (and 2nd in all 4). I'm sure there are other things influencing the overall rankings, but it is not uncommon for the rivals (or scout) to give very contradictory information (eg. on "after the catch", only 1 of the 3 analysts even talks about Jones, but Jones is listed as #1).

[Troy's Enterprise Pride]

Don't worry about Rivals. Mike Adams went from being one of the five best lineman in the class to barely making the top 100. Rivals does a lot of politicking when it comes to recruiting rankings IMO, more so than scout.

They have their own agenda, and it's usually towards southern schools/prospects.

napoleon has said it all right here: rivals has an agenda... it's to make money. how do they do it? well, they need to create as much interest as possible. how do they create interest? by having as many top prospects unsigned as long as possible. therefore, they will pimp the unsigned prospects so readers dont lose interest. that's one aspect. another? yes, rivals DOES have a southern bias. I don't know why, so I can't speculate, but it's quite obvious. thanks, napoleon, for summarizing and being a sensible poster. i know it must get hard reading opposing fans banter sometimes

[scooper]

napoleon has said it all right here: rivals has an agenda... it's to make money. how do they do it? well, they need to create as much interest as possible. how do they create interest? by having as many top prospects unsigned as long as possible. therefore, they will pimp the unsigned prospects so readers dont lose interest. that's one aspect. another? yes, rivals DOES have a southern bias. I don't know why, so I can't speculate, but it's quite obvious. thanks, napoleon, for summarizing and being a sensible poster. i know it must get hard reading opposing fans banter sometimes

Especially when those opposing fans make light of your Heisman Trophy winner's career destination. ;)

[Troy's Enterprise Pride]

aint nuttin wrong wit rentin out cars, dawg.

[IrishKnight1023]

I think Mike Adams is good and we offered him, but seeing his film I can understand why he's in the bottom pile of the top 100. Brewsters film is monsterous, but Adams isn't. Rivals rankings are the most accurate I think.

[RichardRiot]

Especially when those opposing fans make light of your Heisman Trophy winner's career destination. ;)

but didn't Hertz do 'great things' for another Heisman trophy winner?

[NDGirlzRock]

iub, i agree that rivals puts too much stock into 40 times.... i think everyone does. look at dwayne jarrett as an example of a slower, but productive wideout. but, i wasnt addressing your post as much as i was addressing this one:





we can't just call homer fouls everytime someone doesn't annoint our players (or prospects) as the next great player. now, is there a media bias against ND? sometimes, yes... but not as much as we would like to think.... actually, it's far less oft than we claim. when it all boils down to it, i dont care if one of our prospects loses a star.... i dont care if mark may thinks we are the worst team in the nation.... i only care about winning. let everyone else say what they will.

Tony....I admit that alot of people say that the media hate ND. Wake-up and smell the coffee, THEY DO! I can run the list of top analysts and honestly the only people that come to mind that are pro-ND are Holtz (no brainer here) and Lemming and he goes way too far to the ND side to have his opinion be valid. What I was refering to is when a recruit lists ND as one of his interests rivals, scout, espn all drop their value and wait to re-evaluate or see how they do at the camps. What a bunch of crap that is! Take Omar Hunter, for instance, if memory serves he "WAS" in Scout's to 100 until he verballed to ND. Mysteriously, now he may still be a 4 star, he isn't in the top 100 anymore. They did the same thing to Darius Fleming, low 100, and Sean Cwynar, off the list. All I'm saying is that we all know these guys are studs so why does this only seem to happen to ND. I know that there may and probably are other guys this has happened to, but it happens on a regular basis to ND recruits. And before you say it, yes I know that they have moved guys up that have verballed to ND, Goodman & Newman come to mind, but that was after they were re-evaluated. Ok so maybe I'm a homer, but not about this. Man I live in Central-Florida where if a guy even breathes that he is interested in the gutters, cans, or semenoles he is the next great wonder!!!! I'm just trying to call for all of the media to quit taking the USCless, skunkbear, & florida school viagra, loose their hard-ons, and be rational about how they rate players.

[notredomer23]

I say dont use rivals and just use Scout and maxpreps

[Troy's Enterprise Pride]

Tony....I admit that alot of people say that the media hate ND. Wake-up and smell the coffee, THEY DO! I can run the list of top analysts and honestly the only people that come to mind that are pro-ND are Holtz (no brainer here) and Lemming and he goes way too far to the ND side to have his opinion be valid. What I was refering to is when a recruit lists ND as one of his interests rivals, scout, espn all drop their value and wait to re-evaluate or see how they do at the camps. What a bunch of crap that is! Take Omar Hunter, for instance, if memory serves he "WAS" in Scout's to 100 until he verballed to ND. Mysteriously, now he may still be a 4 star, he isn't in the top 100 anymore. They did the same thing to Darius Fleming, low 100, and Sean Cwynar, off the list. All I'm saying is that we all know these guys are studs so why does this only seem to happen to ND. I know that there may and probably are other guys this has happened to, but it happens on a regular basis to ND recruits. And before you say it, yes I know that they have moved guys up that have verballed to ND, Goodman & Newman come to mind, but that was after they were re-evaluated. Ok so maybe I'm a homer, but not about this. Man I live in Central-Florida where if a guy even breathes that he is interested in the gutters, cans, or semenoles he is the next great wonder!!!! I'm just trying to call for all of the media to quit taking the USCless, skunkbear, & florida school viagra, loose their hard-ons, and be rational about how they rate players.



your logic makes no sense. you say that they are anti-ND b/c some of the recruits were dropped after verballing to ND but completely disregard that other recruits were raised. Why hasn't Rudolph dropped from his perch as the #1 TE? dayne crist is also very well received and gets many kudos even though he's verballed to the irish. i live in central florida too, and kids don't magically gain stars when verballing to elite programs or mentioning interest in them. Comparing kids' skills that live 1000 miles apart is hard, so of course people are wrong sometimes... it's not an easy thing to do with grainy video footage and 5 workout camps.

and yes, there are people in the media who don't like notre dame, big deal. at least they talk about notre dame.... at least the irish are relevant again. i'd rather hear mark may bash us than to see us get passed up on every major sporting network because we "have lost the intrigue." irish fans aren't victims, so quit taking that mindset.

[NDGirlzRock]

I'm not trying to pull the ND victim card out here! I am honestly saying that all of the major talent evaluators need to get their crap together! One's in it for the money, one just does what it wants without truly evaluating properly, and well the other!!! I'm using ND as the prime example, I'm sure that it happens to other recruits that verbal to other schools too. By the way I did also state that guys that have verballed to ND have been moved up. (Goodman and Newman) Finally, I wasn't stating that every ND recruit dropped. I just pointed out specific instances where my theory took place.

[stonebreakerwasgod]

Well, I think it's obvious to many that kids may get some extra positive attention simply because a major recruits them instead of a central mich. To a degree it does make sense. If a coach is known to have a good recruiting eye, might there be some talent there as opposed to the guy he isn't going after.

[NDGirlzRock]

Well, I think it's obvious to many that kids may get some extra positive attention simply because a major recruits them instead of a central mich. To a degree it does make sense. If a coach is known to have a good recruiting eye, might there be some talent there as opposed to the guy he isn't going after.

True...but don't you think that CW, CB, poodle, bible bobby are some of the best in the country? Sure they miss some, but on whole they are pretty right on. Granted I know CW is more NFL savy at this moment, but after turning Mr. Nobody, Tom Brady, into a Super Bowl MVP I think CW knows what he is doing. If I were rivals, scout, espn, and the like I would sure pay attention to all of the guys listed above and a few more to come up with a better evaluation of the guys out there. Just my opinion!

[stonebreakerwasgod]

I think people around the country will soon respect CW/CB as recruiting gurus.

[Troy's Enterprise Pride]

I just pointed out specific instances where my theory took place.


and I pointed out where your theory was wrong. we had as many recruits move up in rankings as we had move down. that alone shows the lack of bias. if they were are truly biased as you have claimed, we would've seen a downward trend in all of our recruits' rankings.

[irishunclebill]

I think people around the country will soon respect CW/CB as recruiting gurus.

I don't care too much about people, but I do know that other coaches already do. Just look at some of the offer dates on the guys ND has offered and see who has offered them afterward. I'm not saying that CW is the top talent evaluator out there, but a lot of other coaches respect his opinions, even if they don't personally care for him.

[NDGirlzRock]

Maybe wrong to you but not wrong to me and others! But that's what I love about blogs. Boda GH ROCKSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS! (Motley Crue jammin' out in the background as she types) LOL!

[stonebreakerwasgod]

I don't care too much about people, but I do know that other coaches already do. Just look at some of the offer dates on the guys ND has offered and see who has offered them afterward. I'm not saying that CW is the top talent evaluator out there, but a lot of other coaches respect his opinions, even if they don't personally care for him.

You don't care too much about people?? You heartless b...ch!

[irishunclebill]

To be fair CW should be replaced by the ND coaching staff in the above post. I am sure that CW has the final call, but the staff is doing an awful lot of talent evaluation.

[irishunclebill]

You don't care too much about people?? You heartless b...ch!

LOL- you got me!!

[irishunclebill]

NdGirlz & Troy. The give & take is great, and it's always nice to see you boys and girls play nice.:D

[stonebreakerwasgod]

I say we set up the first GH boxing match at Scoops house.

[Fishin'_Irish]

I say we set up the first GH boxing match at Scoops house.

1,000,000 vbucks on Domer's bro.

[stonebreakerwasgod]

OK Troy vs NDgirlz (betting line is even)

Undercard...

31 vs HCTI
ND23 vs Spinner
Marv vs SLH
Stoney vs Alba

[untitledproject]

It's actually a new school that Ginn senior is starting up. It will be a boarding school of sort that will make it easier to track the academic progress of students and make sure they can qualify for college. Ginn Sr. is one of the good guys in recruiting.

Scott might not even end up at WR if he goes to Ohio State. He might go to free safety a la Taylor Mays. He's kind of thin, but he loves to hit.

Ginn was such a great guy he gave Wells about 10000 carries during the AAAG, and Aldridge 2.

[scooper]

I'm going to have to rent some extra seating.

[napoleonbuck]

Ginn was such a great guy he gave Wells about 10000 carries during the AAAG, and Aldridge 2.

Come on now. As a trade off for having like half your recruits in the game, you can't also expect your guys to get all the carries and plays, that is until Lemming makes himself one of the coaches... ;)



As for Adams. I agree his film isn't a monstrous as someone like Brewster, but he plays in a mostly passing offense(his team features a division one QB and two division one WRs), so he does a lot of pass blocking, where as a lot of Brewster's film in run blocking. Adams is more of a technician at Tackle than he is a mauler.

[IrishKnight1023]

Come on now. As a trade off for having like half your recruits in the game, you can't also expect your guys to get all the carries and plays, that is until Lemming makes himself one of the coaches... ;)



As for Adams. I agree his film isn't a monstrous as someone like Brewster, but he plays in a mostly passing offense(his team features a division one QB and two division one WRs), so he does a lot of pass blocking, where as a lot of Brewster's film in run blocking. Adams is more of a technician at Tackle than he is a mauler.

--------All of our guys who played in the AAA game last year belong there. The only one you can complain about is Nagel.

[domerdude]

I was reading the previous post on the Safety position ranks and ran over to the WR's....

-I cant believe Floyd is not on a single list. What gives???:confused:

-Kudos to J Goodman for making it 5th on the "Best After Catch".:D

Any thoughts?

http://footballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?SID=880&CID=692630#deep

[YoungIrish]

Yea I feel like Floyd might have gotten cheated out of a few of those categories...oh well its Rivals and we all know how much they love ND...I like Floyd though..his videos are excellent...

[IrishCalves]

^^^ Moved this into the already existing thread.

Its a very deep WR class, so I'm not overly offended by not seeing Floyd's name on the list. I think he's a jack of all trades type of prospect, rather than a "pure burner", or simply a YAC guy, etc.

[NDGirlzRock]

^^^ Moved this into the already existing thread.

Its a very deep WR class, so I'm not overly offended by not seeing Floyd's name on the list. I think he's a jack of all trades type of prospect, rather than a "pure burner", or simply a YAC guy, etc.

YAC sounds like something my cat would cough up! LOL! I agree Calves! I see him as a Jerry Rice type of receiver, deceptive speed, always runs great routes, fantastic hands, just an all-around good receiver.

[Fishin'_Irish]

YAC sounds like something my cat would cough up! LOL! I agree Calves! I see him as a Jerry Rice type of receiver, deceptive speed, always runs great routes, fantastic hands, just an all-around good receiver.

I could go for a Jerry Rice type of receiver.